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 Post subject: The Ugly Duckling, Polyphon hornless tabletop
PostPosted: Tue Sep 10, 2019 5:42 am 
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Two days ago, I was (again) up too late, and found an ad, with this "ugly duckling". A woman wanted to sell it to a collector, or someone who could take care of it, for 10 euro. A total of 120 km drive, was within distance, and I sent her an sms at 07:15 yesterday morning, and one hour later she responded back, positively. The gramophone was not sold. Five hours later I collected it.
Status: It has no soundbox, a part of the governor spring is missing ( one spring and one weight), and the springs (two in total) is probably not working, at least the spindle is not turning when I wind it up, and resistance is next to nothing. I however loved the wooden box, and in particular the beautiful top lid. I am not an expert on wood, but could it be mahogany? I will during the winter, start work on the wooden box, and when possible, also try to get some help with the motor.
I would love any input on this gramophone. I have not been able to find out the name of the model, as we can see it is a Polyphon, and to me, it looks extremely well made. I would in particular love to get some input on what to do with the wooden case. Stripping....dye? I am looking at UK made Liberon products, since they can be shipped also in continental Europe. Any other suggestions is very welcome, since I really would love to put this wooden case back to its former beauty. Links or product names that can be of assistance in this winter work (when I have finished my current restoration projects) are very welcome.


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 Post subject: Re: The Ugly Duckling, Parlophon hornless tabletop
PostPosted: Tue Sep 10, 2019 8:40 am 
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It looks more like a stained light wood, birch possibly?


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 Post subject: Re: The Ugly Duckling, Parlophon hornless tabletop
PostPosted: Tue Sep 10, 2019 8:50 am 
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The German collectors forum www.grammophon-platten.de might be able to identify the model.


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 Post subject: Re: The Ugly Duckling, Parlophon hornless tabletop
PostPosted: Wed Sep 11, 2019 5:01 am 
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Thank you, epigramopone, checking with the German forum is a good idea.
But apart from it, please tell if you (forum members)would strip the woooden box or not, or just polish it?
Opinions are very welcome, even if probably forum members will disagree.
I showed the gramophone to my 85 year old friend yesterday, and she said: "You must not make it
look different, then it loses its identity".
Myself I first wanted to strip it, or at least camouflage the marks and revive/disguise/renew with Liberon products, and make it look shiny and nice, since it obviously is made of a beautiful wood, and as it looks now, it to me looks, well..ugly.
While waiting for registration on the German forum, I googled A LOT today, and was able to find this model. It actually has the same motor (!) but a different lid. I thought you maybe would like to have a look, so I paste the link here:
http://deerbe.com/unt/80611-extrem_rar_ ... _1925.html
It also probably has the color that my machine had from the start..


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 Post subject: Re: The Ugly Duckling, Parlophon hornless tabletop
PostPosted: Wed Sep 11, 2019 6:22 pm 
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PW on the motor stands for Polyphon Werke - so not Parlophone. I will try find my Polyphon catalog as I seem to remember this one is there. The domed lid is quite unique.

Polish yes, strip - rather not, my opinion.


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 Post subject: Re: The Ugly Duckling, Polyphon hornless tabletop
PostPosted: Thu Sep 12, 2019 1:26 am 
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Thank you "Sidewinder" for correcting me on this Polyphon (and not Parlophon, and also for taking the time to check a Polyphon catalogue. Thank you also for your view on how to pursue restoring the gramophone, it is much appreciated.
Somehow my head was infected with the Parlophon name the last days after looking at a Parlophon portable some days ago, despite the fact that the Polyphon name and logo shines towards me when opening the lid on this gramophone. Yes, I quickly understood this domed lid is quite unique, and after joining the German Grammophon Platten Forum yesterday, it was from a forum member there first suggested my model was a table top with a flat top lid that we see on most tabletops, but after some more discussions and photos uploaded, new suggestions were forwarded. https://grammophon-platten.de/e107_plug ... .php?38784 This gramophone has the same domed lid, but a different tonearm, and also some other minor differences in the woodcase and possibly needle tray.
When reading a bit more on that new linked page a member there at first suggests that it is a frankenphone, before a different member points it (rightly) to be a Polyphon, and give the below link to an auction site that sold a model that I believe is exactly the same model as mine. It has two needle trays, same tonearm as far as I can see, and also the wooden box is similar. The gramophone on the auction site, is missing one door, my fortunately have both doors:
https://www.lauritz.com/de/auktion/poly ... /i3274055/
I find it interesting to identify models that are not so common, good detective work and mutual effort is needed. Thank you.


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