SAS Auction results....gulp!

[Calle]

If one out of UK can judge by the new import taxes, vat and all, into Europe mainland, it is not rare. Buyers like me will think twice before ordering from the UK in these days. Only recently, for materials in an invoice totalling £230, I had to pay 35% extra for taxes, handling and the 21% VAT. Terrible....

This is partly the problem. Since Brexit I have bought nothing from Europe. It’s not just the taxes and charges for being charged, postage rates seem to have tripled and of course there is tax on that as well!

This works both ways.

Yes, you're right: the same with me - since Brexit I've rarely bought gramophones from the UK; shipping is a problem and to collect it by yourself you've to come along the customs... The last visits I bought mainly records and some smaller gramophones, but larger items are difficult to take with you.

[Sidewinder]

I was wondering if the "zonophone" is in fact a Zonophone & not one of the German immitators?

[Curt A]

"I mean a stock of gramophones, for collectible dealers its the right time fill their stock and wait for the market to lift again."

Got it... but it's still true about the stock market.

[Starkton]

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I was wondering if the "zonophone" is in fact a Zonophone & not one of the German immitators?
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I'm familiar with German talking machines, but I've never noticed a Zonophone imitator. It is better to say that the German talking machine industry, unlike the American one, was not dominated by a (patent) cartel and was therefore very diverse.

[Sidewinder]

Are you sure? No german manufacturers making travelling arm machines that could be mistaken for zonophone?

[CarlosV]

Are you sure? No german manufacturers making travelling arm machines that could be mistaken for zonophone?

German travelling arm machines are rare, the only ones I've seen are German-made HMVs, not imitations but legit machines assembled in Germany. I've never seen imitations of the early Zonophones anywhere, especially their ornate arm machines. The late Zonophones, after the Gramophone Co bought them, are HMV machines with Zonophone labels.

[Sidewinder]

The late Zonophones, after the Gramophone Co bought them, are HMV machines with Zonophone labels.

Yes, but post-travelling arm era

German travelling arm machines are rare, the only ones I've seen are German-made HMVs, not imitations but legit machines assembled in Germany.

DGAG machines are well documented

I've never seen imitations of the early Zonophones anywhere, especially their ornate arm machines.

The USA zonophone case designs are different from the European ones, and if I am not mistaken the european Zonophone branch had its main offices in Ritterstrasse, Berlin.

With early German travelling arm machines most companies went with the style of connecting the support arm to the cabinet, but there were a few who were inspired by the metal upper plate with the support arm attached - and this gives the appearance of zonophone. The SAS machine is not in any Zonophone catalogue.

here a better pic of the machine at SAS (I've seen a reference somewhere-just need to find it)

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[Steve]

The SAS machine above definitely appears to have a Zonophone horn on it. If the auctioneers could have spared us a little more than one poor photo perhaps we could have seen inside the horn. Maybe it was red, I don't know? I don't know anyone who viewed the sale or bought anything from it.

[jamiegramo]

A similar example to the SAS Zonophone is pictured on the back of Christopher Proudfoots book ‘Collecting Phonographs and Gramophones’.

It also appears on the net in the Zonophone Registry Project as the ‘nr 3’.

http://zonober.com/zono/machines.htm

[jamiegramo]

Well, it started us on a trail looking for a clock which we secured at auction for all of £50. It's only turn of Twentieth Century but incredibly well made out of oak with German movement. A clock specialist is currently cleaning and servicing it and was surprised by its quality and design features. He reckons when re-assembled and fully operational that we'll have a £1500 clock. We bought it from Mallams, hardly some remote disconnected rural saleroom.

Now for the gramophone!......

Ha! Not always “Overbidder Steve”!