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PeterF wrote:Thanks - so now we have:

102s with the early autobrake (I've deleted the "1020" prefix):

2879
4744 (also typo'd as 4774)
5718
7553
12379
26029
30941
33389

Earliest 102 with the next version of brake:

63326

Now looking to narrow the gap between 33389 and 63326.

Looks like this is number 13798 ? Or maybe 12798 ?

I just thought it might reinforce the existing list whilst we look for the more important 'gap' ones.

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/HMV-His-Mast ... :rk:1:pf:0

This would (I think) have been a very interesting addition - number 38971.

It seems to have been a blue 102.

Unfortunately although the photo shows when searching the internet the link does not work properly. I just goes the website below when clicked:

https://www.regentantiques.com/

The photo itself shows when the following link is input:

https://www.regentantiques.com/product_ ... lue-13.jpg

and the item isn't anywhere on the web site as far as I can see.

So, it seems that we know it was a blue HMV 102 but not which specific model of 102 it is.

Unless someone telephones regent antiques to see if they remember or have archived photos etc.

I hope that this makes sense.

Oh, I wonder what 'F10' (circled) means on the disc ?

Oh, if you input 'regent antiques blue hmv 102 gramophone' into the DuckDuckGo search engine there are a number of blue 102's from this antique site. The photo two away from the disc photo looks like the following (auto.jpg) so maybe it is not the early automatic break model ?
However, the photo next to the disc looks like the earliest model so maybe that ? (auto1.jpg)

Or are the photo's both later models ?


Or maybe the disc and these photos are three different machines ?

The last picture above is of a 102A with the later automatic brake, but still with the metal motor board.

The clue is that the "On-Off Auto Brake" plate is secured to the motor board by rivets rather than by wood screws.

epigramophone wrote:The last picture above is of a 102A with the later automatic brake, but still with the metal motor board.

The clue is that the "On-Off Auto Brake" plate is secured to the motor board by rivets rather than by wood screws.

Great advice - thanks epigramophone.

Here is a link to my grey/taupe 102, probably the only truly “rare” colour in the line up...
https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre ... 3608437164

Sorry to resurrect this, but might still be of interest. I can go much lower with the second type of auto brake, recently pickup up this one, no 47831

Hi, and I can go lower still! Here's my 102 with the metal motor board and the later autobrake. The no16 soundbox was damaged, I managed to repair it but it still doesn't sound great so I got a no5 which is very nice.

Serial number 1020 32259

Yes, but this number is lower than the highest number reported with a No 5 brake -- and the 'on-off' plate is secured with screws rather than rivets, which as Roger pointed out means that it started life as a 102 with No 5 brake, but was later modified to 102A spec with the No 6 brake, which was available as a kit for this purpose.

Thanks for the information, I didn't know that was the case, all very interesting.