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 Post subject: EMG IX wilson horn ,has this horn been cut at the rim?
PostPosted: Wed Dec 10, 2014 8:22 am 
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Want more info,this one does not have the smooth finish...


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 Post subject: Re: EMG IX wilson horn ,has this horn been cut at the rim?
PostPosted: Wed Dec 10, 2014 8:25 am 
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 Post subject: Re: EMG IX wilson horn ,has this horn been cut at the rim?
PostPosted: Wed Dec 10, 2014 10:23 am 
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There are forum members far more knowledgeable on EMG matters than myself, but I do know that the Wilson Panharmonic horn was made by the Scientific Supply Stores of Newington Causeway, London.

Your Wonderphone horn made (or supplied?) by the Oxford Camera & Gramophone Co is unknown to me. As you rightly say, more information is needed.


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 Post subject: Re: EMG IX wilson horn ,has this horn been cut at the rim?
PostPosted: Thu Dec 11, 2014 3:25 am 
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That looks like a horn designed along similar lines to a Wilson Panharmonic or EMG Mk VIII etc, but is not actually either - with the narrow end pushed into a broken EMG Mk VIII stub. My guess is that the rim has simply become abraded fom standing upright on the floor when not in use. I can't imagine that bumpy surface helps the sound - maybe that was the snake oil aspect that allowed the designer to patent it!


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 Post subject: Re: EMG IX wilson horn ,has this horn been cut at the rim?
PostPosted: Thu Dec 11, 2014 11:28 am 
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A very strange craft indeed ! What is the diameter of the horn outlet ? The Mk VIII had a final diameter of 24 inches.

As Orchorsol says, the sound quality is unlikely to be good, having to navigate the "furrows", and the whole affair looks rather unconvincing---most improbably anything to do with EMG as a horn it would seem. In my limited experience, I have never come across anything quite like it before even though there were other papier-appliqué horn makers. The construction would appear to be paper over wicker---a very bizarre idea unrelated to the successful scientific reproduction of sound in spite of Wilson horn pretensions ! I suppose that when the paper was new, and laid over the wicker template on both sides, the result could have been a reasonably smooth surface before the ravages of time caused quite a lot of shrinkage ? Still not the best of ideas but intriguing nevertheless!

Do you know anything about the history ? Full dimensions would help the investigation.

How does it sound ?


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 Post subject: Re: EMG IX wilson horn ,has this horn been cut at the rim?
PostPosted: Fri Dec 12, 2014 4:38 pm 
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It's not a horn at all!

It's the basketweave cane carrying case for transporting the original horn, and has been papered over. I've only ever seen one, and it had a leather carrying handle attached.


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 Post subject: Re: EMG IX wilson horn ,has this horn been cut at the rim?
PostPosted: Sat Dec 13, 2014 5:25 am 
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That sounds like a logical explanation, in which case the Wonderphone plaque must have been a later addition. Where did it come from?


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 Post subject: Re: EMG IX wilson horn ,has this horn been cut at the rim?
PostPosted: Sat Dec 13, 2014 12:06 pm 
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epigramophone wrote:
That sounds like a logical explanation, in which case the Wonderphone plaque must have been a later addition. Where did it come from?


Christie's probably:
http://www.christies.com/lotfinder/LotD ... tID=673159

and then maybe sold on Ebay 17 years later;
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/130866057519

Steve


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 Post subject: Re: EMG IX wilson horn ,has this horn been cut at the rim?
PostPosted: Mon Dec 15, 2014 9:31 am 
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There is a tiny thumbnail picture still available for that last eBay auction. It does not show up by default so here it is:

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If it is the same horn, it seems it was made for a phonograph and has had both ends cut off for use with an EMG. Strange if so, as you would expect it to be valuable in its own right.

Cheers,
David.


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 Post subject: Re: EMG IX wilson horn ,has this horn been cut at the rim?
PostPosted: Mon Dec 15, 2014 10:05 am 
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When I posted earlier that this was a carrying basket for the original horn, it may have led to confusion- sorry!

I didn't mean the original horn for the EMG pictured, I meant the original phonograph horn that the basket was made for. This mutilated thing is nothing whatsoever to do with EMG.


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