Happened to stumble across this on eBay. I'm posting it here rather than in the eBay section because it's a Euro machine.
First- Is it genuine? The wood, box design, decal, arm, and brake give me pause. Yet, on the whole, it seems well built.
If it's real, what model and era is it?
Thanks!
http://www.ebay.com/itm/152393398042?_t ... EBIDX%3AIT
Real or fake?
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Re: Real or fake?
Fake. What you listed, and the sound box is not Victor.
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I figured the sound box part was so obvious I didn't mention it.Henry wrote:Fake. What you listed, and the sound box is not Victor.
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I'm not sure exactly what this machine is, since it is European, but I don't think it's fake... The back bracket, tonearm and elbow look like an English Victor product. I'm sure someone can identify it...
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Re: Real or fake?
Could be a Swiss machine, with a fake dog decal. The brake is a generic part used in many Swiss and German second tier manufacturers.
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The dog decal looks like a variant of a Victor Talking Machine horn decal. I can make out the 'king' of the second word. I doubt it's in any way original. Plus it looks like a pine box... or am I mistaken? Did German/ Swiss HMV variants use pine?CarlosV wrote:Could be a Swiss machine, with a fake dog decal. The brake is a generic part used in many Swiss and German second tier manufacturers.
I don't think I'll bid on it but I want to learn more about what is correct and what isn't on these machines. I really don't think it's a complete fake, either... but I am keeping an open mind. Maybe it's a Franken rather than a fake? The arm and backrest construction seem too good to be a fake. I've just never seen this style before.
Could it be some sort of Zonophone?
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Re: Real or fake?
This is not a Victor/HMV product. This is a legitimate Swiss, German or British machine from about 1910-20. The case, bracket, elbow, arm are the give aways. The dog decal on the case is not correct. The reproducer looks like a Thorens from the 1920-30 period. With a fluted peacock horn and a European mica reproducer, it would be a very attractive machine.
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Harvey- is the wood the box is made of correct? The reason I was thinking HMV was the turntable, speed control, and the crank.
I agree it could be an attractive machine. I've seen other HMV machines, specifically a Monarch, from this seller and they seemed to check out OK given the other photos and info I could find on them. This one threw me, though.
I agree it could be an attractive machine. I've seen other HMV machines, specifically a Monarch, from this seller and they seemed to check out OK given the other photos and info I could find on them. This one threw me, though.
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gramophone-georg wrote:Harvey- is the wood the box is made of correct? The reason I was thinking HMV was the turntable, speed control, and the crank.
I agree it could be an attractive machine. I've seen other HMV machines, specifically a Monarch, from this seller and they seemed to check out OK given the other photos and info I could find on them. This one threw me, though.
The wood on the case is correct. It was either Oak, or some other European hardwood. At a glance, it looks like an HMV/ Victor machine. The speed control, crank, turntable and brake are typical of these types of European machines. These machines were Victor/HMV knock-offs made in Germany, Switzerland, British or French. I have this same machine in Oak. It's packed away right now. It has a 2 spring motor and a 12" cast iron turntable. The price is very high for what is shown. If it had the correct reproducer and horn, then the price wouldn't be so bad.
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