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 Post subject: Re: Phonograph Art nouveau
PostPosted: Sat Mar 25, 2017 6:17 pm 
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Andreas Gramophones wrote:
I forgot to show the player, I do not remember where someone else charged me the photo ...

Saturn is a well-known brand of soundboxes, many German gramophones were fitted with them. The model looks adequate for the period.


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 Post subject: Re: Phonograph Art nouveau
PostPosted: Mon Mar 27, 2017 1:46 pm 
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CarlosV wrote:
Andreas Gramophones wrote:
I forgot to show the player, I do not remember where someone else charged me the photo ...

Saturn is a well-known brand of soundboxes, many German gramophones were fitted with them. The model looks adequate for the period.

Good to know friend, sign that the machine as a whole is correct, which has not been modified.


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 Post subject: Re: Phonograph Art nouveau
PostPosted: Tue Apr 04, 2017 6:27 pm 
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Already set in the collection.


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 Post subject: Re: Phonograph Art nouveau
PostPosted: Fri Nov 03, 2017 2:58 am 
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Em outro Ângulo.


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 Post subject: Re: Phonograph Art nouveau
PostPosted: Fri Nov 03, 2017 6:41 pm 
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looks to me it's a high end spectrum machine that could have been made by on of the many lindstrom branch firms (many brand makes among them) could have been custom maked by the specs given by a customer (the ads would only show an idea of a machine) there where lindstrom/parlophone branches in the german colonies and comunities around the globe so the machine could even have been build localy(in a afilliated factory) with european machine parts
some of the grammophones build on the finges of the western world (and aquired lands) are fabulous! and these emigradted landowner societies would concist mainly out of very very rich people so these machines would be prety spectacular in a lot of cases

this kind of makes me think of the pre 1917 russian G&T/HMV machines that some of the older european collectors would often talk about in the 1980-90s giving these machines from russia an almost mythical tone they woulkd talk about reproducers and hardware made of precious metals, writing in reproducers painted in glow-in-the-dark radium paint and woodcarving of incredible art on the cases of these machines, inbedded precious stones in the metal hardware and even parts made of platinum!
all of this seems to be rather too much, a load of old wives tales hogwash! but, since the internet i'm not so sure anymore
machines with presious metals have turned up, there are indeed reproducers with radium paint (now prety much inert due to age ps don't lick!) and wild woodcarvings on phono's do pop up from time to time

so are these stories of now long dead collectors a load of bull###t or is there some truth

there was also talk about pornographic gramophones (for use in brothels) with penises/vulva's or copulating couples on each corner's side of the aquare case!...truth or fiction?! ...you tell me!


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 Post subject: Re: Phonograph Art nouveau
PostPosted: Fri Nov 03, 2017 7:25 pm 
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Since we now know that Hitler was alive in South America at least until 1955, maybe it was his personal phonograph... :?
http://www.foxnews.com/science/2017/11/ ... veals.html

Or maybe related to the huge cache of Nazi memorabilia found in Buenos Aires in September...
http://www.businessinsider.com/nazi-art ... t-shrine-1
"The phonograph† is not of any commercial value."
Thomas Alva Edison - Comment to his assistant, Samuel Insull.

"No one needs a Victrola XX, a Perfected Graphophone Type G, or whatever you call those noisy things."
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 Post subject: Re: Phonograph Art nouveau
PostPosted: Sat Nov 04, 2017 12:50 am 
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Since we do not have a definite mark, it gives us room to imagine all that they mentioned, it is curious and fascinating, perhaps we will never know the origin and the history of this piece. I have a book about a record factory here in Brazil where one of the pages has an illustration of this same gramophone, this is perhaps a hint that it is not a single piece and that it had a serial production, even a small one. Unfortunately the book does not cite anything relevant about the image. I even thought about contacting the writer but I have not done it yet.


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 Post subject: Re: Phonograph Art nouveau
PostPosted: Sat Nov 04, 2017 10:10 am 
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Andreas Gramophones wrote:
...What strikes the attention of the cabinet is all in oak and expressly decorated is the size, 50 cm 50 cm, with 14-inch plate and the double-rope motor with nickel-iron.
Has any friend ever seen anything like it?


Never seen anything like it, and it certainly is spectacular. Thank you for sharing!

Could that 14 inch platter be a hint to the maker? I'd think only a company that produced 14" records itself would bother with one that size. Who among the German makers produced 14" disks?


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 Post subject: Re: Phonograph Art nouveau
PostPosted: Sun Nov 05, 2017 12:29 am 
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If this is a German/German and not a Brazil/ German, They had a lot of very good woodworkers and carvers in the Black Forest. It seems to be expertly made and carved. It is one nice addition to anyone's collection. If it could be a one of a kind it would be hard to trace its origin unless there were markings in it, Sometimes there could be hidden markings on it. Some of the guitars have the makers signature hidden in the stem. Tom B


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 Post subject: Re: Phonograph Art nouveau
PostPosted: Tue Nov 07, 2017 9:56 pm 
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tomb wrote:
If this is a German/German and not a Brazil/ German, They had a lot of very good woodworkers and carvers in the Black Forest. It seems to be expertly made and carved. It is one nice addition to anyone's collection. If it could be a one of a kind it would be hard to trace its origin unless there were markings in it, Sometimes there could be hidden markings on it. Some of the guitars have the makers signature hidden in the stem. Tom B

Tom B, I looked for marks all over the office and other parts but have made restoration before reaching me, some decal, inscription or plaque may have been lost over time. I have the hint of the reproducer that is German Saturn and the image in the book; otherwise, the mystery continues.


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