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 Post subject: Russian/Soviet Portable Phonograph?
PostPosted: Sun Jul 23, 2017 10:07 pm 
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Saw this posting on eBay.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Old-Hand-crank- ... Sw8l5ZdOB2

I don't speak or understand Russian, so I don't know what the cyrillic letters say, but this is cool and different. Is anything known about Russian/Soviet phonographs? This looks to be in great shape.


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 Post subject: Re: Russian/Soviet Portable Phonograph?
PostPosted: Mon Jul 24, 2017 3:28 am 
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F. Depero, "Grammofono", 1923.
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In Russia during the CCCP times the production of goods tended to be standardized and centralized to a high degree and, if feasible, designs were based on already existing foreign products of reputed efficiency. As a result, most russian portables that I've seen so far look very similar to this one: obviously "inspired" by the HMV 102, with a soundbox in turn heavily "inspired" by HMV's N° 5A/5B type. This process of reverse engeneering and standardization was called "adaptation". An "adapted" product was then produced in parallel by many factories. This is why many russian 102 clones may be seen, all nearly identical to each other, but with different labels.

This unit also doesn't fall very far from being a 102 clone, but has some twists of its own, like the quite original auto-start auto-stop mechanism, and the nice touch of the folding crank. These machines look cute and are a nice addition to anyone's collection, in my opinion; especially if they are in near-mint conditions and reasonably priced like this one.

Soundwise, being basically a clone of the 102, it should also play fairly well. I've especially read great things about the soundbox, which is judged by some even as an improvement (!) over the 5A/5B (larger diaphragm, lightweight bakelite back flange instead of heavy and fragile pot metal). The name of this machine is "friendship" (дружба), which is also quite promising. ;)


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 Post subject: Re: Russian/Soviet Portable Phonograph?
PostPosted: Mon Jul 24, 2017 2:08 pm 
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So cheap , I'd bid but he won't post to the UK :cry:


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 Post subject: Re: Russian/Soviet Portable Phonograph?
PostPosted: Mon Jul 24, 2017 3:56 pm 
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Reading Marco's post, I suspect there might be a wide variation in quality. I repaired one for somebody last year and although ah approximate HMV102 clone as they all are, it was of very poor quality throughout.


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 Post subject: Re: Russian/Soviet Portable Phonograph?
PostPosted: Tue Jul 25, 2017 7:12 am 
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Just to illustrate the similarities, here is my Russian "102" and the real thing :


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 Post subject: Re: Russian/Soviet Portable Phonograph?
PostPosted: Tue Jul 25, 2017 12:22 pm 
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About 20 years ago when trade opened up a lot of these hit the market- some worked, some didn't. There was even a variety with a flat horn in the lid that resembled a vacuum cleaner fitting.


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 Post subject: Re: Russian/Soviet Portable Phonograph?
PostPosted: Tue Jul 25, 2017 1:47 pm 
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vacuum cleaner fitting


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 Post subject: Re: Russian/Soviet Portable Phonograph?
PostPosted: Tue Jul 25, 2017 2:06 pm 
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Other small russian


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 Post subject: Re: Russian/Soviet Portable Phonograph?
PostPosted: Tue Jul 25, 2017 2:58 pm 
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Russian copy of Excelda


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