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 Post subject: Re: Pathé Coquet in need of lots of love
PostPosted: Mon Jan 22, 2018 2:55 pm 
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Thanks for the information - you are very knowledgeable !


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 Post subject: Re: Pathé Coquet in need of lots of love
PostPosted: Mon Jan 22, 2018 4:30 pm 
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One more time, Pedro you're doing a damned good and impressive job with your Coquet!

Gramtastic wrote:
I notice that both the Coquets shown have a black painted bedplate. Mine is nickel plated so I guess there were different versions ? I have also noticed from images on line that on some the part which holds the reproducer/horn is vertical and on others slopes backwards. Anyone know why this should be ?


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As far as I know, the Salon size cylinders were played using an adaptor for attaching the reproducer or by using the Système Verité.

It might be interessant to collect all the information we have from the different Coquets we have and write an article.



I have various Coquet models (including a nickel plated one). The first one only sold by Pathé (Model A on the attached pics) was just for standard cylinders while all the models sold by Girard were for salon and standard cylinders. For these dual mandrels machines, I have the impression that the Vérité system was mandatory to play standard cylinders (sorry Pedro!). Anyway, Pathé documentation is close to zero or , at best, scarce...

(By the way Pedro, I'm also looking for glass diaphragms...).

So, who could take the lead to compile Coquet technical data?

Jeff


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 Post subject: Re: Pathé Coquet in need of lots of love
PostPosted: Fri Jan 26, 2018 6:01 pm 
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Hi Jeff,

I've seen some adaptors to use on small phonograps in order to rise the reproducer and use salon sice cylinders. You can see some of them at http://www.phonorama.fr/autres-accessoires.html and more precisely at http://www.phonorama.fr/fichiers_sites/ ... /b3007.jpg and http://www.phonorama.fr/fichiers_sites/ ... /b3017.jpg

As you say, the documentation is close to zero so this makes this machines even more interesting.

Regarding my restoration, today I made a "Non swivelling connector" for my recording head.

It's made of 4 pieces. I challenged myself to do it with so close tolerances that it could be assembled without soldering and just relying on a press fit.

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I confess that I have already tested it and....It works! I will make a video one of this days. My neighbours must think that we are mad because we (my kids and me) have been singing VERY LOUD "Happy Birthday" again and again during a couple of hours.... :-)

I have ordered some nickel anodes to plate my pieces and glass diaphragms for the reproducer and recording head. If you are interested in buying connectors or diaphragms PM me. I will start shipping them at the end of February - mid March.

I hope I will find some time this weekend to start making a Système Verité and a reproduction of a recording horn. As far as I know, they were made out of cardboard. If somebody has pictures and/or dimensions of this horn and want to share them with me I would be eternally grateful.

Stay tuned for more updates!


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 Post subject: Re: Pathé Coquet in need of lots of love
PostPosted: Sat Jan 27, 2018 7:15 am 
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walser wrote:
I've seen some adaptors to use on small phonograps in order to rise the reproducer and use salon sice cylinders.
Well, I'm lost....
First,I do believe what is explained on phonorama web site (in particular, considering the tremendous knowledge of the person behind this site).
On the other hand, there are several confusing facts:
The Pathé Coquet (as yours) was introduced in 1900 strictly for standard cylinders (there is not enough space to insert the inter (or salon) mandrel).
The Girard “Coquet” (also called Sonor or Vérité http://www.phonorama.fr/publicites-pathe-p3.html ) was a dual mandrel phonograph.
With a Girard Coquet, without the Vérité system, I didn't succeed to play a standard cylinder but have no issue with the Inter format...
So???
walser wrote:
As far as I know, they were made out of cardboard. If somebody has pictures and/or dimensions of this horn and want to share them with me I would be eternally grateful.


I took some pics of a cardboard recorder horn for Pathé phonograph.
Just let me know what else you need.
Jeff


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 Post subject: Re: Pathé Coquet in need of lots of love
PostPosted: Sat Jan 27, 2018 6:12 pm 
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Thank you Jeff! It looks like paper mache. I dont have the faintest idea of how to work with paper mache but surely it will be fun.

Looking also at Phonorama web page, it looks that there is a version without the shaft to use it directly inserted on the carriage. I suspect that the dimensions are the same as yours but just without the shaft.

Today I managed to start on the Système Verité.

The first challenge was to make a tool to bend the rods accurately. I made this simple tool and after 3 attempts (yes, 3!) I managed to make the first piece.
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Then I started with the tube that connects to the carriage. I'm using a fluted tube to make it impossible to confuse it with a genuine one.
It was very fun to make the little cap with the dimple. It took me also 3 attempts to do it and needed to make some dies and use my wife's press. (Yes, I confessed it later) I also turned a tube to make the bearings of the lateral rods.
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I'm working now on the set screw but didn't took pictures.

Stay tuned for more updates!


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 Post subject: Re: Pathé Coquet in need of lots of love
PostPosted: Tue Feb 06, 2018 5:37 am 
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Hello
Nice to see your restoration of your phonograph. I have beeen followed your restoration and I can see that your phonograph looks a bit like mine(I have also a restoration project, but I do not know how old mine is- or what model). Your motor(or what it's called), look a bit like mine.
Mabye you can identify my machine, cause it's a bit difficult to restore it, when I don't know how it looks like original?
(I hope you understand me- not that good in english)-and sorry if I'am interrupting your subject.


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 Post subject: Re: Pathé Coquet in need of lots of love
PostPosted: Tue Feb 06, 2018 9:02 am 
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Hi, although I don't know this model, I would say that it is not a Pathé machine but probably a german one. The upper work is in good condition and I think that the wood base was for a larger machine. Could you post a pic showing the motor.
Jeff


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 Post subject: Re: Pathé Coquet in need of lots of love
PostPosted: Tue Feb 06, 2018 12:49 pm 
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Hi Billehifi

I'm sure your phonograph is not a Pathé. It looks similar and the design shares the same general concept and maybe even shares some dimensions as the reproducer socket. I'm also following your restoration and I like very much your approach of how you are doing it.

BTW, I Nickel plated my first piece this last week end. I think you need to nickel plate all your pieces to prevent them from rusting again. It's a fairly easy process that can be done at home.

Regards,

Pedro Martínez


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 Post subject: Re: Pathé Coquet in need of lots of love
PostPosted: Tue Feb 06, 2018 2:08 pm 
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phonodesbois wrote:
One more time, Pedro you're doing a damned good and impressive job with your Coquet!

Gramtastic wrote:
I notice that both the Coquets shown have a black painted bedplate. Mine is nickel plated so I guess there were different versions ? I have also noticed from images on line that on some the part which holds the reproducer/horn is vertical and on others slopes backwards. Anyone know why this should be ?


walser wrote:
As far as I know, the Salon size cylinders were played using an adaptor for attaching the reproducer or by using the Système Verité.

It might be interessant to collect all the information we have from the different Coquets we have and write an article.



I have various Coquet models (including a nickel plated one). The first one only sold by Pathé (Model A on the attached pics) was just for standard cylinders while all the models sold by Girard were for salon and standard cylinders. For these dual mandrels machines, I have the impression that the Vérité system was mandatory to play standard cylinders (sorry Pedro!). Anyway, Pathé documentation is close to zero or , at best, scarce...

(By the way Pedro, I'm also looking for glass diaphragms...).

So, who could take the lead to compile Coquet technical data?

Jeff


Jeff,

I have a Model "A" style, but in a very simple box, finished in a green leatherette. No sign that I can see there having been a lid either. Have you seen such a model? (Sorry for the thread hi-jack)


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 Post subject: Re: Pathé Coquet in need of lots of love
PostPosted: Wed Feb 07, 2018 6:25 am 
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Billehifi wrote:
Hello
Nice to see your restoration of your phonograph. I have beeen followed your restoration and I can see that your phonograph looks a bit like mine(I have also a restoration project, but I do not know how old mine is- or what model). Your motor(or what it's called), look a bit like mine.
Mabye you can identify my machine, cause it's a bit difficult to restore it, when I don't know how it looks like original?
(I hope you understand me- not that good in english)-and sorry if I'am interrupting your subject.



I will post a picture of the motor in my own post then. :)


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