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 Post subject: Re: German grammophone
PostPosted: Tue May 08, 2018 1:51 pm 
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Victor Jr
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The really strange thing that everything seems to be appropriate and genuine, with no adaptations


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 Post subject: Re: German grammophone
PostPosted: Tue May 08, 2018 1:59 pm 
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Maybe in this picture you can appreciate better the horn (I changed the soundbox)


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 Post subject: Re: German grammophone
PostPosted: Tue May 08, 2018 2:27 pm 
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Many older restored, pre-internet era, machines suffer from wrong parts down to smallest details. Like US and British made machines here in continental Europe where I live, have been ”restored” back together with metric screws and vice versa. Countless are the Exhibition soundboxes that I have seen tapped for a metric needle screw... :evil:
So, when I see a machine with a motor missing a governor weight, broken mica, seized crank and rusted horn, I know that most likelly I have found an all correct parts machine. :) To me an original worn out paint on a horn and an original scruffy finish with partly worn out decal on the cabinet is always more valuable than a re-finish.
Was the soundbox you removed from the machine a Thorens Primaphone? The turntable platter and the speed control look like they are from a later portable. Is there any markings underneath the platter? That horn surely is very glossy! Personally I would strip it and paint in a more subtle colour scheme with a matt finish. Your tonearm goose neck is on the wrong side!


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 Post subject: Re: German grammophone
PostPosted: Tue May 08, 2018 2:32 pm 
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Yes the soundbox is a Primaphone. No details under the plate. Thank you!
I agree for the speed regulator, which is printed and not carved. The components are quite in order, the handle is wooden and I replaced the tonearm by finding the appropriate one on the internet because it was badly glued. I found the correct one that fits the original screw!!


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 Post subject: Re: German grammophone
PostPosted: Tue May 08, 2018 3:13 pm 
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Tonearm badly glued? Could you send close up pictures of the parts that came with it and your replacements parts? Also better pictures of the motor and the back bracket would help.


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 Post subject: Re: German grammophone
PostPosted: Tue May 08, 2018 3:27 pm 
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Sorry, I don't know how you say in english when an iron part is glued to another iron part. The tonearm has a ring in which the screw was inserted, and this ring was broken and "glued". I found an identical tonearm and I replaced it. Here is a picture of the case without the plate:


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 Post subject: Re: German grammophone
PostPosted: Tue May 08, 2018 3:34 pm 
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Can you take a photos of the broken tonearm and the motor? The more detailed pictures, the easier it is for us to tell what you might have there. :)
The curvy part(gooseneck) attached to the soundbox is the wrong way. The soundbox should be facing the opposite direction.


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 Post subject: Re: German grammophone
PostPosted: Tue May 08, 2018 3:39 pm 
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Yes I know, I moved it just to take the picture. This is the bracket with the screw:


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 Post subject: Re: German grammophone
PostPosted: Tue May 08, 2018 3:46 pm 
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The tonearm:


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 Post subject: Re: German grammophone
PostPosted: Tue May 08, 2018 3:54 pm 
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I have no more pictures of the motor because a friend who fix old clocks is trying to look at it because one of the springs has broken.

I understand what you say about the right side of the soundbox, tomorrow I will try to fix it

Edit: no way to change the side of the soundbox. The "original" tonearm was broken in half and welded (now I know the word!!) in order to have the soundbox in the side as you say. With this tonearm the soundbox must stay in this position. But I ensure they are the same tonearm because it is a rare tonearm with this ring and I spent months in order to find a new one that could fit, on eBay


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