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 Post subject: Re: European Gramophones
PostPosted: Mon Feb 19, 2018 7:13 pm 
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This has been an interesting discussion for any number of reasons.

Andreas, your machines, as others have noted, are magnificent. And you found them in Sao Paolo. Are these not the machines of the wealthy, what the wealthy would decorate their houses with back in the early 20th C? If so, what did the person of average means in Brazil have in his/her house? I can not imagine them to be so elaborate.

I would agree that Continental machines are in general more elaborate than US machines. But this represents long-standing esthetic differences in furniture design--and phonographs are furniture, or were--that predate the talking machine by many, many years.


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 Post subject: Re: European Gramophones
PostPosted: Mon Feb 19, 2018 11:40 pm 
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Victor I
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jboger wrote:
This has been an interesting discussion for any number of reasons.

Andreas, your machines, as others have noted, are magnificent. And you found them in Sao Paolo. Are these not the machines of the wealthy, what the wealthy would decorate their houses with back in the early 20th C? If so, what did the person of average means in Brazil have in his/her house? I can not imagine them to be so elaborate.

I would agree that Continental machines are in general more elaborate than US machines. But this represents long-standing esthetic differences in furniture design--and phonographs are furniture, or were--that predate the talking machine by many, many years.

Hi Jboger,

Thanks for the post, interesting your line of thinking. I found these machines here in Brazil but it is not something common to find, I would say it is very difficult, the common here are the Victor Talking Machine of all kinds, I believe it was very exported here. Edison Machines are virtually nonexistent here, only the Standard and Home phonographs that collectors like me end up importing these days.
Columbia and Pathé meet but in much smaller quantities.
As we have made gramophones here from 2 companies, these along with the Victor are the common ones, I would say Victor for the more affluent and Casa Edison and The Electrical for the middle class.
The American machines also fascinate me a lot and I preserve some copies with great satisfaction.
I have restored many machines made here in Brazil but I have not kept any, I admit that I like the American and European.
I fully agree with your assessment of the style of European machines, it is totally linked to the tradition of furniture style that extends to gramophones.
Write if it was not clear enough, I am available for any questioning.
Andreas


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