HMV 102 production numbers

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This HMV Red 102 on YouTube has a number 16 soundbox AND A SERIAL number 51 ! Noted by the uploader , I find it difficult to believe that this Red 102 is no 51 in the sunken motor series as I would have thought the earliest ones would be black and this more likely indicates a renumbering of the the wooden motor board series from 000001 , although it doesn't seem to have an autobrake on off switch which the sunken motors don't have either , but are there other early 102 motorboard models without this feature , and was the manual brake a later addition ?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K1J13GmaQnc

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Are you trying to say 76859 has the early-style auto-brake?

That would be anomalous, since 63326 has the later style.

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Red Leather 78659, which I own, has the later style autobrake. The earlier style proved unreliable and was discontinued after little more than a year, but the metal motor board with the sunken motor was retained until it was replaced by the wooden version a couple of years later.

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Great.

To get back on topic, though, let’s revisit the original question, which was:

How many hmv 102's with the universal autobrake were produced, as i understand they were only produced for 9 months.

Is there any source of production numbers?


So we are looking for a machine with a serial earlier than 63326 with the second style autobrake, and later than 30941 with the first style autobrake.

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"Is there any source of production numbers?"

Yes it is called the EMI archive trust https://www.emiarchivetrust.org/

I am sure they will let you study their archive

so was the HMV 102 with the early brake HMV 102 A , not referenced as such

Change the brake but keep the sunken motor so you get 102 B not referenced as such

New wooden board 102 C ?

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Re: HMV 102 production numbers

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Here is an early HMV 102 I think.

I just thought that this number might be useful just to add to those you have.

Oh, and someone thought the early auto brake was worth keeping ! (Very sad it was taken apart though I think).

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/HMV-MODEL-10 ... SwvRtbtNR9
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Yes, that one appears to be within the range of early 102's with the first style autobrake. Our latest number so far is still 30941.

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This appears to be one.

I think it may just 'fill in the gaps' a little bit but hopefully helps with the list.


Quite a low number again it seems.

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/HMV-portable ... :rk:1:pf:0
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Thanks - so now we have:

102s with the early autobrake (I've deleted the "1020" prefix):

2879
4744 (also typo'd as 4774)
5718
7553
12379
30941

Earliest 102 with the next version of brake:

63326

Still looking to narrow the gap between 30941 and 63326.

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PeterF wrote:Thanks - so now we have:

102s with the early autobrake (I've deleted the "1020" prefix):

2879
4744 (also typo'd as 4774)
5718
7553
12379
30941

Earliest 102 with the next version of brake:

63326

Still looking to narrow the gap between 30941 and 63326.

Assuming they didn't start to renumber from 00001 with the new brake , they sold thousands of these machines as noted by the number 836859 , so between 1932 and 1936 they made nearly a million machines ! 250,000 a year 1

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