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 Post subject: Real or Fake? You Are the Judge
PostPosted: Fri Oct 19, 2018 3:34 am 
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Victor III
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https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Antique-Spanish-Gramophone-Phonograph-Made-by-Phono-Barcelonesa-Spain-1920/253939565064?hash=item3b1ffa4208:g:gNcAAOSwtItbyJxj:rk:33:pf:0

My vote is for a well-made Frankenphone. The case looks recently made. But I could be wrong. I never saw any documentation about Spanish machines, and never heard of the Phono Barcelonesa.


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 Post subject: Re: Real or Fake? You Are the Judge
PostPosted: Fri Oct 19, 2018 5:34 am 
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I think on balance it is an original heavily restored gramophone , certainly the badge marques look old and original as does the back bracket and horn elbow although probably replated .As I said the badge marques look old and original so this company must have existed if they are

The horn itself could possibly be a Banus Banus creation see previous threads

viewtopic.php?f=16&t=32383&p=192398&hilit=banus#p192398


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 Post subject: Re: Real or Fake? You Are the Judge
PostPosted: Fri Oct 19, 2018 5:51 am 
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There is a reference to another machine made by this company here

http://www.coleccionfb.com/pagina_nueva_9.htm


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 Post subject: Re: Real or Fake? You Are the Judge
PostPosted: Fri Oct 19, 2018 6:28 am 
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That's interesting, Mark, it is the first site I see that compiles Spanish gramophone manufacturers. Indeed it may be a genuine one, even though I still find the case too good-looking, unless it was completely redone. If the price was 20 times lower I could be interested ...


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 Post subject: Re: Real or Fake? You Are the Judge
PostPosted: Fri Oct 19, 2018 6:12 pm 
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Victor Jr
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100 % real Phonobarcelonesa machine. Too restored, but 100 % all original. I have seen this machibe directly. Not all in the world are Edison, Columbia and Victor machines. In Europe had A LOT of small companies that really made BEAUTIFUL machines. It’s good be documented...


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