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 Post subject: Is this really a Decca Junior Trench Gramophone ?
PostPosted: Thu Feb 28, 2019 6:02 am 
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I came across this old ebay machine and couldn't really find a match on the internet and it puzzles me.

The 'Juniors' shown on the internet seem mostly different, with only one centre locking catch for example.

Then there are other similar 'trench' models but with 'chrome and shiny' back dishes, not black like this one. Some have two front locking catches - but the catches are all different to this one.

Then I couldn't find another one with just two separate back lid hinges - they just had a continuous hinge all the way along.

The tone arm is also more 'inflated / bulbous' towards the dish end. Not the same as any of the others I have seen on google.

The reproducer I think was created in 1926, so this could be the year the gramophone was made but I thought it might be a later edition ?

Thank you very much for any id information / dating you can give.


https://www.ebay.com/itm/VERY-RARE-EXCELLENT-1920s-VINTAGE-WW1-DECCA-JUNIOR-TRENCH-GRAMOPHONE-/162828369469?_trksid=p2047675.m43663.l10137&nordt=true&rt=nc&orig_cvip=true


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 Post subject: Re: Is this really a Decca Junior Trench Gramophone ?
PostPosted: Thu Feb 28, 2019 9:20 am 
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It is a Decca machine. This type of reflex machine was made with several variants. This one looks all original, at least the parts that are visible.


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 Post subject: Re: Is this really a Decca Junior Trench Gramophone ?
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It is a real Decca, but one from a decade or more after WWI.


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 Post subject: Re: Is this really a Decca Junior Trench Gramophone ?
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estott wrote:
It is a real Decca, but one from a decade or more after WWI.



Ah, thank you estott. So the soundbox could be original and the whole thing from the twenty's.
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 Post subject: Re: Is this really a Decca Junior Trench Gramophone ?
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CarlosV wrote:
It is a Decca machine. This type of reflex machine was made with several variants. This one looks all original, at least the parts that are visible.


I see. Thank you CarlosV.

So an original from the 1920's - because it had many variants I suppose that is why I could not find an exact match.
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 Post subject: Re: Is this really a Decca Junior Trench Gramophone ?
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The machine pictured is a Decca, but it is not a Junior. The Junior is narrower than the regular Decca, and as a result it's sound reflector is roughly oval in shape rather than round, an easy identification feature. The soundbox on either version may very well carry the word "Junior".

The CLPGS has published an excellent guide to Decca portables, which deserves a place on any collector's bookshelf.


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 Post subject: Re: Is this really a Decca Junior Trench Gramophone ?
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epigramophone wrote:
The machine pictured is a Decca, but it is not a Junior. The Junior is narrower than the regular Decca, and as a result it's sound reflector is roughly oval in shape rather than round, an easy identification feature. The soundbox on either version may very well carry the word "Junior".

The CLPGS has published an excellent guide to Decca portables, which deserves a place on any collector's bookshelf.



Very good. So it isn't a Junior.


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 Post subject: Re: Is this really a Decca Junior Trench Gramophone ?
PostPosted: Fri Mar 08, 2019 5:18 pm 
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I have a Junior and it says so behind the horn on the black background. Very light little machine it is. Neil


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 Post subject: Re: Is this really a Decca Junior Trench Gramophone ?
PostPosted: Fri Mar 15, 2019 4:24 am 
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epigramophone wrote:
The CLPGS has published an excellent guide to Decca portables, which deserves a place on any collector's bookshelf.


This booklet discouraged me at first as I saw it was only 20-something pages. In "normal" books by page 24 you may expect to find the title in bold characters, the index and perhaps a short preface. However, the late Graham Barber warmly suggested this book, and this kind of made me reconsider it as I really trusted Graham Barbers' opinion. Is it really worth an international purchase?

Also, how can these books be purchased by mail? On the CLPGS website their books can be selected and also paid for, but I couldn't find any trace of shipping fares, where I could type in the shipping address, and so on...


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 Post subject: Re: Is this really a Decca Junior Trench Gramophone ?
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Once you get to the Checkout page, you can enter your address and and see the postage options based on your address.


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