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 Post subject: Is this gramophone a reproduction or original ?
PostPosted: Tue Mar 05, 2019 11:18 am 
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Essentially I saw this on ebay - the seller stating it is 'Vintage original':

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/VARAPHONE-VINTAGE-ORIGINAL-GRAMOPHONE-RECORD-PLAYER/292992065031?hash=item4437b01e07:g:L5AAAOSwOttcfWEB:rk:37:pf:0


Then I saw this forum thread:

http://forum.talkingmachine.info/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=28411&hilit=VARAPHONE


and then I saw this similar model to the recent ebay ad (the base is similar anyway)which seems to mention that it is a reproduction:

https://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/vintage-reproduction-varaphone-1835686987

Photo of this:



I also see quite a lot of what appear to be genuine Varaphone's on google images.

Can anyone clarify some issues that seem to revolve around these Varaphone machines please I wonder?

First photo from Worthpoint - second two from recent ebay auction:


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 Post subject: Re: Is this gramophone a reproduction or original ?
PostPosted: Tue Mar 05, 2019 11:57 am 
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Probably called a Varaphone because it's made of "various" bits and pieces!

Any machine that has that crudely made horn, and cheap and nasty soundbox is definitely a Crapophone!!


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 Post subject: Re: Is this gramophone a reproduction or original ?
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I feel secure in stating that the Varaphone pictured is a modern fake incorporating some older pieces from a portable phonograph. It is possible to make these play a record decently, but the collectors value is very slight.


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 Post subject: Re: Is this gramophone a reproduction or original ?
PostPosted: Tue Mar 05, 2019 1:03 pm 
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I just did an image search for "Varaphone" on google. All of the photos it calls up are definitely crap-o-phones, similar to the one you posted.

There was a Veraphone produced, but the ad shows a table top model with an enclosed horn:

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 Post subject: Re: Is this gramophone a reproduction or original ?
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Thank you very much Phono48, estott and OrthoFan.

I am now much better informed and know what to think when I see these gramophones thanks to you all.
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 Post subject: Re: Is this gramophone a reproduction or original ?
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This should be on every collector's workshop wall :


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epigramophone wrote:
This should be on every collector's workshop wall :



A good guide to be very aware of.
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 Post subject: Re: Is this gramophone a reproduction or original ?
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Interesting variations for this 'make' of gramophone.

This one I actually quite like.

The record looks a bit weird - perhaps it belonged to salvador dali ..... or a werewolf

https://www.the-saleroom.com/en-us/auction-catalogues/gardiner-houlgate/catalogue-id-srgard10115/lot-62f12af7-1b79-4e3b-bf4e-aa1100a7e0b2


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 Post subject: Re: Is this gramophone a reproduction or original ?
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The angled winder is a dead giveaway that the motor started life in a portable, and the pointless brass "feet" will damage any polished surface the machine stands on. Avoid!


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 Post subject: Re: Is this gramophone a reproduction or original ?
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epigramophone wrote:
The angled winder is a dead giveaway that the motor started life in a portable, and the pointless brass "feet" will damage any polished surface the machine stands on. Avoid!



Thank you for the advice epigramophone.
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