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 Post subject: Horn Models - Genuine or Frankophones?
PostPosted: Wed Mar 13, 2019 6:29 am 
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Dear all, in earlier discussions I had talked about expanding my search across Asia from colonial portables to horn models, something I know even less about.

So I have been sent these below sets of snaps. From what I can see, I believe in both machines the sound-box is the typical crapophone soundbox - for sure on the Primaphone. But what about the rest of the machine? Are these genuine to any degree?

To my untrained eye - these look superior to the regular shiny crapophones one comes across. Though in my recent experience, was very pleasantly surprised to see 90% of dealers telling me upfront that a particular gram was a replica / "decorative item" so not trying to fob it off as genuine. Except in this case.

As always, any advice or feedback appreciated.


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 Post subject: Re: Horn Models - Genuine or Frankophones?
PostPosted: Wed Mar 13, 2019 6:50 am 
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quick update - the seller has just mailed me saying he is a reputable online seller and asked me to search him on facebook - "relics and rarities" - in case you guys are interested.


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 Post subject: Re: Horn Models - Genuine or Frankophones?
PostPosted: Wed Mar 13, 2019 7:02 am 
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both are original , the HMV is probably a model 32 which should have an HMV 34 motor , the horn looks iffy may be original and shortened ? Also the 32 would normally have a No 4 soundbox and appropriate tone arm but probably this is still correct with the No 5 and tone arm as they were produced for a longer period in India


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 Post subject: Re: Horn Models - Genuine or Frankophones?
PostPosted: Wed Mar 13, 2019 7:24 am 
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Thank you. Will try and get more information on the motors in both.
Good to know they are genuine. Just checked shipping rates and its completely insane!


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 Post subject: Re: Horn Models - Genuine or Frankophones?
PostPosted: Wed Mar 13, 2019 7:35 am 
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HMV 32


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 Post subject: Re: Horn Models - Genuine or Frankophones?
PostPosted: Wed Mar 13, 2019 7:41 am 
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And here is a fake primaphone


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 Post subject: Re: Horn Models - Genuine or Frankophones?
PostPosted: Wed Mar 13, 2019 7:45 am 
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Victor I
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from "His Master´s Gramophone" (Oakley& Proudfoot), hope this is ok :ugeek:

Original Primaphones are also around. This one looks to be teak, and would say reasonably correct (- soundbox).

(removed by teak, no harm intended)


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 Post subject: Re: Horn Models - Genuine or Frankophones?
PostPosted: Wed Mar 13, 2019 7:58 am 
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Thank you Teak & Soundgen.
Going to go out on a limb and irritate the experts here! But think the HMV is a model 31a? At least the machine if not the horn.

Came across a few more primaphones at 25% of the price of these. Had dismissed them outright as knock-offs but will now take a closer look and share snaps if / as soon as I receive the same.


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 Post subject: Re: Horn Models - Genuine or Frankophones?
PostPosted: Wed Mar 13, 2019 8:00 am 
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At 144,000 Pakistan Rupees about £790 the HMV is rather expensive I think


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 Post subject: Re: Horn Models - Genuine or Frankophones?
PostPosted: Wed Mar 13, 2019 8:06 am 
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Teak wrote:
from "His Master´s Gramophone" (Oakley& Proudfoot), hope this is ok :ugeek:

Original Primaphones are also around. This one looks to be teak, and would say reasonably correct (- soundbox).



So the HMV is a 132A ? But it looks to have a 12" turntable unless the record is less than 10 " ?


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