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 Post subject: Imperator 53 Coin-op monster
PostPosted: Thu Nov 28, 2019 4:40 pm 
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Does anyone here know where one of these uncommon machines is standing. A long time ago - if memory serves me correct - I saw a photo which apparently was made in a wood panelled room of an Italian collection / museum.

I am looking to find out what was the correct motor and tone-arm.

The cabinet in real life is quite fancy with different wood veneers and polished brass embelishments.

Thanks, grazie mille!


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 Post subject: Re: Imperator 53 Coin-op monster
PostPosted: Fri Nov 29, 2019 4:31 am 
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F. Depero, "Grammofono", 1923.
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Even bottom-of-the-line gramophones in Italy are scarcer than saffron and truffles. Much scarcer, actually. The only serious museum that I can think of and might possibly have pieces of that rarity and glamour is the Museo Pelagalli, although I don't recall it having wood-paneled rooms:

http://www.museopelagalli.com/index_UK_INIZIO.htm

Are you sure you hadn't see it in the Phono Museum of Paris perhaps?

http://phonomuseum.fr/


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 Post subject: Re: Imperator 53 Coin-op monster
PostPosted: Fri Nov 29, 2019 5:20 am 
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I'd love to see some pictures of your incomplete machine. Especially if it still has the turntable and coin mechanism.


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 Post subject: Re: Imperator 53 Coin-op monster
PostPosted: Fri Nov 29, 2019 2:13 pm 
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Marco Gilardetti wrote:
Even bottom-of-the-line gramophones in Italy are scarcer than saffron and truffles. Much scarcer, actually. The only serious museum that I can think of and might possibly have pieces of that rarity and glamour is the Museo Pelagalli, although I don't recall it having wood-paneled rooms:

http://www.museopelagalli.com/index_UK_INIZIO.htm

Are you sure you hadn't see it in the Phono Museum of Paris perhaps?

http://phonomuseum.fr/


Thanks for the leads. museopelagalli definitely not.

Jalal also not

The motor is the issue...its missing. Which is why locating the complete one will be a huge boost, in that I see what I need to look for (or maybe already have?)

fingers crossed!


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 Post subject: Re: Imperator 53 Coin-op monster
PostPosted: Sat Nov 30, 2019 12:51 am 
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Sidewinder wrote:
Does anyone here know where one of these uncommon machines is standing. A long time ago - if memory serves me correct - I saw a photo which apparently was made in a wood panelled room of an Italian collection / museum.

I am looking to find out what was the correct motor and tone-arm.

The cabinet in real life is quite fancy with different wood veneers and polished brass embelishments.

Thanks, grazie mille!


It may have been in Marco's collection in Italia.


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 Post subject: Re: Imperator 53 Coin-op monster
PostPosted: Sat Nov 30, 2019 3:40 pm 
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Its a but buried in the basement under a few boxes, but here a sample.

IMPERATOR was a company that was originally a manufacturer of disc format music boxes.


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 Post subject: Re: Imperator 53 Coin-op monster
PostPosted: Mon Dec 02, 2019 3:40 am 
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gramophone78 wrote:
It may have been in Marco's collection in Italia.


:lol: Unfortunately not, I'm afraid!


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 Post subject: Re: Imperator 53 Coin-op monster
PostPosted: Mon Dec 02, 2019 12:35 pm 
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Marco Gilardetti wrote:
gramophone78 wrote:
It may have been in Marco's collection in Italia.


:lol: Unfortunately not, I'm afraid!


Sorry, different Marco... ;).


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 Post subject: Re: Imperator 53 Coin-op monster
PostPosted: Thu Dec 05, 2019 8:37 pm 
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For whatever it's worth, I have a "Swissie" type machine with Spanish dealer tags that has an Imperator reproducer. If you need a photo, I can provide one. The motor in my machine was either Thorens or Paillard, I forget which, a single-spring post-and-plate affair that wouldn't play a 12" record on a winding. I had it replaced with a similar two-spring motor that will handle a 12" record, but I kept the original in case I ever sold the machine and the buyer wanted it. Again, assuming I can dig it out, I'd be happy to provide a photo, but I can't imagine a machine as grand as the one under discussion would have come with such a wimpy motor.


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 Post subject: Re: Imperator 53 Coin-op monster
PostPosted: Fri Dec 06, 2019 4:54 pm 
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drh wrote:
For whatever it's worth, I have a "Swissie" type machine with Spanish dealer tags that has an Imperator reproducer. If you need a photo, I can provide one. The motor in my machine was either Thorens or Paillard, I forget which, a single-spring post-and-plate affair that wouldn't play a 12" record on a winding. I had it replaced with a similar two-spring motor that will handle a 12" record, but I kept the original in case I ever sold the machine and the buyer wanted it. Again, assuming I can dig it out, I'd be happy to provide a photo, but I can't imagine a machine as grand as the one under discussion would have come with such a wimpy motor.


Thanks would be very interested to see the reproducer :-) .


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