German? horn gramophone. Identification + help needed.

[woundup]

My first post on this forum.

I bought this machine on eBay about six months ago and have so far had no success in identifying it. I’m guessing its German because of the wood effect painted horn but there are details that bear a passing resemblance to HMV. The motor, back bracket, brake, speed control and crank escutcheon appear to be the same as those fitted to the Syrena machine shown in this thread:

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The “Excellent” soundbox resembles a long necked HMV Exhibition and may not be original to my machine as the fitting seems a little odd. Does anyone have any thoughts on this?

What concerns me most, however, is the decorative molding that is missing from the front of the motor box. The witness mark suggests some sort of wreath or garland at the centre with swags at left and right. It’s probably quite ornate and difficult to replicate from scratch, but a photograph or catalogue image would be a good start. Can anyone help in this regard?

Regards
Alan

[epigramophone]

Welcome to the forum Alan, and congratulations on acquiring this imposing machine.
The style, and in particular the horn, is reminiscent of Beka. The image below of a similar but not identical machine is taken from their 1911/12 catalogue.

Roger.

[Curt A]

"The “Excellent” soundbox resembles a long necked HMV Exhibition and may not be original to my machine as the fitting seems a little odd. Does anyone have any thoughts on this?"

The "Excellent" reproducer is one of several German clones of Victor or HMV Exhibition reproducers. I think it's original to your machine... what seems "odd" about the fitting?

As far as finding the original, probably brass, embellishment on the front of your machine... I think it will be an almost impossible search to find one.

[woundup]

Hi.

Curt A wrote:
"what seems "odd" about the fitting?"

The soundbox neck seems too long for the the short tube that it fits inside of resulting in an unnecessarily large offset and the locating spigott barely enters the locating slot. However, I think you're probably right about it being the original soundbox.

I agree that finding an original embellishment will be impossible but that was never my expectation. I've seen a lot of pictures of gramophones that have decorative moldings that resemble carved wood. I was rather hoping it would be possible to cast something in resin after first making a pattern from something like milliput.

Thanks for the response.

Alan

[woundup]

Hello again.

Thanks epigramophone for the scanned catalogue page. The machine depicted does look quite similar to mine.

"Cabinet polished oak with curved lines and base ornamented with wood carving".

I wonder if "wood carving" means some sort of fake wood? That would be so much easier to replicate than anything made of metal.

Thanks again.
Alan

[soundgen]

check out these folks they would custom make one ! you know the rough shape

[woundup]

Thanks Soundgen.

I've downloaded the catalogue. I guess having the piece professionally made would be a lot easier than trying to make it myself.

Regards
Alan

[Josh Cattermole 1999]

That's a lovely looking machine