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 Post subject: That monstrous horn, though....
PostPosted: Wed Jun 21, 2017 8:39 am 
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Well, I think this might be a hodgepodge of (some) original parts, but there's either a sad attempt at a hold down clamp or a washer around the spindle. :?:

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 Post subject: Re: That monstrous horn, though....
PostPosted: Wed Jun 21, 2017 10:37 am 
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The motor is an HMV 400 series as used in the early Model 101 portables from 1925 to 1928.

The "wide frame" HMV transfer design dates from 1924/25.

Enough said......


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 Post subject: Re: That monstrous horn, though....
PostPosted: Wed Jun 21, 2017 12:03 pm 
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I think it is a hodgepodge of original parts made into a gramophone. I don't think this was manufactured that way.
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 Post subject: Re: That monstrous horn, though....
PostPosted: Wed Jun 21, 2017 1:39 pm 
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It is actually an original ! There were 4 late machine HMV horn models 29 , 30 , 31 and 32 , the only one well known is the HMV 32 , two had sloping backs , two had straight backs , the 32 and another the 32 had 12 " turntables and 4 spring HMV motors , the other 12 " turntable machine had the HMV 32 motor the other two machines had the small HMV motor and the 10" turntable , the horn may be an original horn but doesn't belong to this gramophone , somewhere I have a catalogue copy showing all 4 machines and will try and find to poat


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PostPosted: Wed Jun 21, 2017 11:40 pm 
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I WAS Thinking it was OK ill I hit the label ( banged up to age it) and the motor. The bolt does not fit it well. It could be legit but It looks 50/50 of being that. Tom B


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 Post subject: Re: That monstrous horn, though....
PostPosted: Thu Jun 22, 2017 3:16 am 
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soundgen wrote:
It is actually an original ! There were 4 late machine HMV horn models 29 , 30 , 31 and 32 , the only one well known is the HMV 32 , two had sloping backs , two had straight backs , the 32 and another the 32 had 12 " turntables and 4 spring HMV motors , the other 12 " turntable machine had the HMV 32 motor the other two machines had the small HMV motor and the 10" turntable , the horn may be an original horn but doesn't belong to this gramophone , somewhere I have a catalogue copy showing all 4 machines and will try and find to poat

I agree with you, it seems a bona fide Indian-market HMV machine apart from the horn. The ultimate verification would be to check the motor board, it should have the serial number and some letter codes pressed on the wood, but the seller did not post photos of it. The bad shape of the decal is to be expected, they did not age well on these machines due to either climate conditions or incompatibility with the varnish or the teak wood which is quite oily. I have three of these Indian HMVs (29, 32, 33), and a teak 101, all with decal decay.


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 Post subject: Re: That monstrous horn, though....
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This must be the predecessor of the Indian Crap-O-Phone industry...
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 22, 2017 3:51 pm 
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Curt A wrote:
This must be the predecessor of the Indian Crap-O-Phone industry...

Except they were made by HMV !


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 Post subject: Re: That monstrous horn, though....
PostPosted: Wed Mar 13, 2019 10:16 am 
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Its still on Ebay now 1 !

https://www.ebay.com/itm/LARGE-ANTIQUE- ... 2217919462


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