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 Post subject: 1902 PHÉNIX Phonograph
PostPosted: Wed Sep 06, 2017 7:11 am 
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https://www.ebay.com/itm/253131916510

Pretty cool little machine. Wouldn’t mind having it if it wasn’t for the price :)
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 Post subject: Re: 1902 PHÉNIX Phonograph
PostPosted: Wed Sep 06, 2017 10:09 am 
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pic for future...


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 Post subject: Re: 1902 PHÉNIX Phonograph
PostPosted: Wed Sep 06, 2017 11:21 am 
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These were made to play only Phénix cylinders, which were slightly smaller in diameter than the Salon cylinders shown with that machine. The seller shows an interesting workaround, putting a sheet of cardboard around the mandrel to enlarge it enough to hold a Salon cylinder. There actually were slip-on adapters made at the time which served the purpose much better, but they are rare today.

Years ago while visiting Paris I stopped in at the store of the legendary Mme. Stéger, north of the flea market in St. Ouen. She just happened to have bought a giant stash of Phénix cylinders, in immaculate condition (they're brown wax), and which she priced ridiculously cheap. I was frustrated that I could only carry a few home (one of which didn't survive, alas).

I have a much cheaper version of the Phénix phonograph but it has no feedscrew and is a bit of a pain to play. I'd love to have the auction one, but not at the price.


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 Post subject: Re: 1902 PHÉNIX Phonograph
PostPosted: Wed Sep 06, 2017 11:30 am 
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I thought I saw in one of the pics that there was a slip on mandrel to the side.
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 Post subject: Re: 1902 PHÉNIX Phonograph
PostPosted: Wed Sep 06, 2017 12:20 pm 
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EdisonWizard wrote:
I thought I saw in one of the pics that there was a slip on mandrel to the side.

You might be thinking of this... which is the original horn container... there is no mandrel sleeve shown.


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 Post subject: Re: 1902 PHÉNIX Phonograph
PostPosted: Wed Sep 06, 2017 3:19 pm 
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Curt A wrote:
EdisonWizard wrote:
I thought I saw in one of the pics that there was a slip on mandrel to the side.

You might be thinking of this... which is the original horn container... there is no mandrel sleeve shown.


my apologies! you're correct, I was thinking of another phono I saw on ebay earlier. ill post a link...I think it had one.


http://r.ebay.com/72RTvM
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 Post subject: Re: 1902 PHÉNIX Phonograph
PostPosted: Wed Sep 06, 2017 5:49 pm 
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That one is a slip on mandrel, but it's to go from regular cylinders to Salon-size. Similar to the AB Columbia with a slip on mandrel to go from regular to Concert/Grand.


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 Post subject: Re: 1902 PHÉNIX Phonograph
PostPosted: Wed Sep 06, 2017 7:13 pm 
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melvind wrote:
pic for future...


This is the second and more rare version of the Phenix.
I have seen less than 5-6 in the last 20 years.

This is the best example I have seen, especially with the horn case and red label.

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 Post subject: Re: 1902 PHÉNIX Phonograph
PostPosted: Wed Sep 13, 2017 5:30 pm 
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GeorgeDixon wrote:
melvind wrote:
pic for future...


This is the second and more rare version of the Phenix.
I have seen less than 5-6 in the last 20 years.

This is the best example I have seen, especially with the horn case and red label.

Ben


**Update. Since my initial post I discussed this machine with a major European collector.
He has concerns with the red labeling not being original, as well as the horn case.
The crank is also not correct.


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