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 Post subject: Re: Columbia B-XP Eagle with Aluminum Horn, Almost Gone on e
PostPosted: Tue Feb 20, 2018 3:41 pm 
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brianu wrote:
what does the XP stand for in the model designation?

"P" = Polished nickel. Note the governor weights, as distinguishing between a polished nickel plated model, and the unplated weights found on the unpolished model.

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 Post subject: Re: Columbia B-XP Eagle with Aluminum Horn, Almost Gone on e
PostPosted: Tue Feb 20, 2018 3:59 pm 
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fran604g wrote:
brianu wrote:
what does the XP stand for in the model designation?

"P" = Polished nickel. Note the governor weights, as distinguishing between a polished nickel plated model, and the unplated weights found on the unpolished model.

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Fran


so extra polish? just want to make sure I've got the lingo right. my type B is the same, bright reflective nickel plate on everything, including the governor weights.


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 Post subject: Re: Columbia B-XP Eagle with Aluminum Horn, Almost Gone on e
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If you don't mind, please post the serial number. I think that George Paul is keeping a database on these machines.


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 Post subject: Re: Columbia B-XP Eagle with Aluminum Horn, Almost Gone on e
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George posted an ad for this model in one of his threads, it's just listed as a Model B, and the ad stated you could get it nickel plated for the extra $$. Same as Edison listing nickel or gold plating for extra $$

The "XP" label is like starting to list nickel or gold plated Edison machines with a new model name.

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 Post subject: Re: Columbia B-XP Eagle with Aluminum Horn, Almost Gone on e
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ChuckA wrote:
George posted an ad for this model in one of his threads, it's just listed as a Model B, and the ad stated you could get it nickel plated for the extra $$. Same as Edison listing nickel or gold plating for extra $$

The "XP" label is like starting to list nickel or gold plated Edison machines with a new model name.

Chuck

It's been my understanding that all Model Bs were nickel plated, but the polished nickel plated machines were only offered for a very short period.

Am I wrong?

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Fran
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 Post subject: Re: Columbia B-XP Eagle with Aluminum Horn, Almost Gone on e
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fran604g wrote:
ChuckA wrote:
George posted an ad for this model in one of his threads, it's just listed as a Model B, and the ad stated you could get it nickel plated for the extra $$. Same as Edison listing nickel or gold plating for extra $$

The "XP" label is like starting to list nickel or gold plated Edison machines with a new model name.

Chuck

It's been my understanding that all Model Bs were nickel plated, but the polished nickel plated machines were only offered for a very short period.

Am I wrong?

Best,
Fran


Your correct I forgot to add the "Polished" descriptor.

Chuck


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 Post subject: Re: Columbia B-XP Eagle with Aluminum Horn, Almost Gone on e
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Raphael wrote:
Thanks to all of you for the nice comments. I was surprised that it didn’t sell for more, of the four that are in my collection, this was the nicest. I’m glad it went to a Forum member,

Raphael


I was also surprised that it did not go higher. I didn’t think that I had a chance. It will be treasured and thank you for making it available.


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 Post subject: Re: Columbia B-XP Eagle with Aluminum Horn, Almost Gone on e
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Django wrote:
Raphael wrote:
Thanks to all of you for the nice comments. I was surprised that it didn’t sell for more, of the four that are in my collection, this was the nicest. I’m glad it went to a Forum member,

Raphael


I was also surprised that it did not go higher. I didn’t think that I had a chance. It will be treasured and thank you for making it available.



It might have gone higher if it had an original 10" nickel horn instead of the aluminum horn. They are harder to find and much more expensive.


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 Post subject: Re: Columbia B-XP Eagle with Aluminum Horn, Almost Gone on e
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Django wrote:
If you don't mind, please post the serial number. I think that George Paul is keeping a database on these machines.

George will verify but I’m pretty certain this one is in the database already. It is indeed a beauty and not easy to find, especially in this condition. You can see mine in my avatar. I love these little machines. I have been lucky since I have owned 4 and recently found yet another. But, it has some explaining to do since it doesn’t fit into the known parameters. I wil get some pics and start a new thread about it soon.
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 Post subject: Re: Columbia B-XP Eagle with Aluminum Horn, Almost Gone on e
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Here's the November 1898 catalog description of the "Nickeled & Polished" Eagle:

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For many many years, this was the only reference I could find regarding this machine, other than an item in the Music Trade Review for August 6, 1898. Nowhere could I find any documentation of the "BXP" nomenclature.

In his landmark book, Hazelcorn's Guide to the Columbia Cylinder Graphophones, Howard Hazelcorn described the Eagle, as well as the "nickeled and highly polished" model "...known as the 'BXP.'" With no reference offered, and after years of being unable to confirm period use of this label, I concluded that it was a latter-day moniker. About a year ago, I discovered that I had been wrong.

In Shawn O'Rourke's fine reprint of Columbia's November 15, 1899 catalog, there is no offering of the "Nickeled and Polished Eagle," but looking through the list of "Miscellaneous Parts and Supplies," I was dumbfounded. There were four references to the "BXP" among mainsprings, spring barrels, winding keys, and belts. These references did not appear in the 1898 catalog nor the 1900 catalog - only on the last page of the 1899 catalog. That page is reproduced below:

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So despite my earlier suspicions, the Columbia Phonograph Company indeed used the "BXP" nomenclature - however briefly. Prior to my obtaining the reprinted catalog last year, I had never seen any period usage of "BXP," and this page remains the only place I've seen it as of now.

George P.


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