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 Post subject: Systems Bettini Pot Metal Surprise...
PostPosted: Fri May 11, 2018 2:20 pm 
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It is approximately one or two more bump or twist from crumbling...
Real Bettinis did not utilize pot metal...

https://www.ebay.fr/itm/PHONOGRAPHE-PAT ... Sw7Vpa9ciG


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 Post subject: Re: Systems Bettini Pot Metal Surprise...
PostPosted: Fri May 11, 2018 2:30 pm 
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I do not think you are quite right. I have seen such examples. Here eg.:

https://www.leboncoin.fr/collection/133 ... m/?ca=12_s


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 Post subject: Re: Systems Bettini Pot Metal Surprise...
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I have a question, so would these just be poor "sand" castings, or die-cast "pot" metal? Were all Bettini's castings?

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 Post subject: Re: Systems Bettini Pot Metal Surprise...
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The same seller has an additional carriage... in better shape.
"The phonograph† is not of any commercial value."
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 Post subject: Re: Systems Bettini Pot Metal Surprise...
PostPosted: Fri May 11, 2018 4:45 pm 
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GeorgeDixon wrote:
It is approximately one or two more bump or twist from crumbling...
Real Bettinis did not utilize pot metal...

https://www.ebay.fr/itm/PHONOGRAPHE-PAT ... Sw7Vpa9ciG


This piece is in desperate need of a major repair, including the nice diaphragm... :lol:


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"The phonograph† is not of any commercial value."
Thomas Alva Edison - Comment to his assistant, Samuel Insull.

"No one needs a Victrola XX, a Perfected Graphophone Type G, or whatever you call those noisy things."
My Wife
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 Post subject: Re: Systems Bettini Pot Metal Surprise...
PostPosted: Sat May 12, 2018 8:04 pm 
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And here is another obvious swelling pot metal example.


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 Post subject: Re: Systems Bettini Pot Metal Surprise...
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Real Bettinis (IIRC) would have had the signature on them, and certainly weren't made of pot metal. There were some cheap knock-offs, sometimes marketed by Columbia, I believe: these are most likely examples of the latter.

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 Post subject: Re: Systems Bettini Pot Metal Surprise...
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I believe Pathé manufactured these attachments under license from Bettini.

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 Post subject: Re: Systems Bettini Pot Metal Surprise...
PostPosted: Tue May 15, 2018 7:49 pm 
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Teak wrote:
I do not think you are quite right. I have seen such examples. Here eg.:

https://www.leboncoin.fr/collection/133 ... m/?ca=12_s



Im not sure this proves your point...looks like pot metal components to me.
There are some aluminum examples, but they are definitely in the minority.
Columbia and Pathé both had similar examples. I am not sure if one had more pot metal examples than the others.

Bettinis are generally marked as such, although the early examples have very few markings and some just have numbers and/or letters.


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 Post subject: Re: Systems Bettini Pot Metal Surprise...
PostPosted: Tue May 15, 2018 10:13 pm 
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Curt A wrote:
The same seller has an additional carriage... in better shape.


The second example also has pot metal issues with attempted repair at one end, and overall pot metal expansion.


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