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Systems Bettini Pot Metal Surprise...

Posted: Fri May 11, 2018 2:20 pm
by GeorgeDixon
It is approximately one or two more bump or twist from crumbling...
Real Bettinis did not utilize pot metal...

https://www.ebay.fr/itm/PHONOGRAPHE-PAT ... Sw7Vpa9ciG

Re: Systems Bettini Pot Metal Surprise...

Posted: Fri May 11, 2018 2:30 pm
by Teak
I do not think you are quite right. I have seen such examples. Here eg.:

https://www.leboncoin.fr/collection/133 ... m/?ca=12_s

Re: Systems Bettini Pot Metal Surprise...

Posted: Fri May 11, 2018 2:40 pm
by fran604g
I have a question, so would these just be poor "sand" castings, or die-cast "pot" metal? Were all Bettini's castings?

Best,
Fran

Re: Systems Bettini Pot Metal Surprise...

Posted: Fri May 11, 2018 4:41 pm
by Curt A
The same seller has an additional carriage... in better shape.

Re: Systems Bettini Pot Metal Surprise...

Posted: Fri May 11, 2018 4:45 pm
by Curt A
GeorgeDixon wrote:It is approximately one or two more bump or twist from crumbling...
Real Bettinis did not utilize pot metal...

https://www.ebay.fr/itm/PHONOGRAPHE-PAT ... Sw7Vpa9ciG
This piece is in desperate need of a major repair, including the nice diaphragm... :lol:

Re: Systems Bettini Pot Metal Surprise...

Posted: Sat May 12, 2018 8:04 pm
by jukejunkie
And here is another obvious swelling pot metal example.

Re: Systems Bettini Pot Metal Surprise...

Posted: Sat May 12, 2018 11:29 pm
by Lucius1958
Real Bettinis (IIRC) would have had the signature on them, and certainly weren't made of pot metal. There were some cheap knock-offs, sometimes marketed by Columbia, I believe: these are most likely examples of the latter.

Bill

Re: Systems Bettini Pot Metal Surprise...

Posted: Sun May 13, 2018 8:29 am
by phonogfp
I believe Pathé manufactured these attachments under license from Bettini.

George P.

Re: Systems Bettini Pot Metal Surprise...

Posted: Tue May 15, 2018 7:49 pm
by GeorgeDixon
Teak wrote:I do not think you are quite right. I have seen such examples. Here eg.:

https://www.leboncoin.fr/collection/133 ... m/?ca=12_s

Im not sure this proves your point...looks like pot metal components to me.
There are some aluminum examples, but they are definitely in the minority.
Columbia and Pathé both had similar examples. I am not sure if one had more pot metal examples than the others.

Bettinis are generally marked as such, although the early examples have very few markings and some just have numbers and/or letters.

Re: Systems Bettini Pot Metal Surprise...

Posted: Tue May 15, 2018 10:13 pm
by Sidewinder
Curt A wrote:The same seller has an additional carriage... in better shape.
The second example also has pot metal issues with attempted repair at one end, and overall pot metal expansion.