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 Post subject: A Gramophone & Phonograph to rescue ?
PostPosted: Mon Nov 05, 2018 4:46 am 
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I just like the look of both of these.

Is the Phonograph from around 1898 I wonder ?


https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Vintage-Wind-Up-HMV-Gramophone-With-HMV-Needle-Tin-78-Record/123469327864?hash=item1cbf586df8:g:~REAAOSwufpb3zYR:rk:38:pf:0


https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/GRAMOPHONE-Cylinder-Phonograph-Wooden-Case-For-Spare-Or-Repair/392166639718?hash=item5b4ef40866:g:Ch8AAOSwhrFb3ynr:rk:44:pf:0


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 Post subject: Re: A Gramophone & Phonograph to rescue ?
PostPosted: Mon Nov 05, 2018 11:13 pm 
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The Columbia 'Eagle' is going to need a good deal of work, including a reproducer and carriage.

In extreme close-up, I think I can see "New York" at the bottom of the decal. That would be the "Broadway" decal, used from 1897 to some time in 1899; combined with the serial number, I think 1898 is a good estimate.

Bill


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Lucius1958 wrote:
The Columbia 'Eagle' is going to need a good deal of work, including a reproducer and carriage.

In extreme close-up, I think I can see "New York" at the bottom of the decal. That would be the "Broadway" decal, used from 1897 to some time in 1899; combined with the serial number, I think 1898 is a good estimate.

Bill



Thank you very much Bill. Most interesting.


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 Post subject: Re: A Gramophone & Phonograph to rescue ?
PostPosted: Tue Nov 06, 2018 7:49 am 
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The gramophone is an HMV Model 58 "hornless" i.e. a table model with no lid to keep the dust off. This design is not popular with collectors, and prices reflect this.


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 Post subject: Re: A Gramophone & Phonograph to rescue ?
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epigramophone wrote:
The gramophone is an HMV Model 58 "hornless" i.e. a table model with no lid to keep the dust off. This design is not popular with collectors, and prices reflect this.


Thank you epigramophone. I see that it may be from 1922 from the model number you kindly gave.

I still like both of these but have no :cry: room


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 Post subject: Re: A Gramophone & Phonograph to rescue ?
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"Eagles" don't take up much room, but you don't want that one. If it were free, the cost of restoring it would probably equal (or possibly exceed) its value.

George P.


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phonogfp wrote:
"Eagles" don't take up much room, but you don't want that one. If it were free, the cost of restoring it would probably equal (or possibly exceed) its value.

George P.


I understand what you say but I would just give it a little home for a few years.


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 Post subject: Re: A Gramophone & Phonograph to rescue ?
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epigramophone wrote:
The gramophone is an HMV Model 58 "hornless" i.e. a table model with no lid to keep the dust off. This design is not popular with collectors, and prices reflect this.


They aren't bad machines- the performance of the US equivalent (VV-VI) is superior to the the VV-IX table top (with a lid) and nearly as good as the VV-IX. If only there weren't so many of them.

The Smaller VV-IV with a 10 inch turntable is actually more popular with collectors because it is fairly light and portable.


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estott wrote:
epigramophone wrote:
The gramophone is an HMV Model 58 "hornless" i.e. a table model with no lid to keep the dust off. This design is not popular with collectors, and prices reflect this.


They aren't bad machines- the performance of the US equivalent (VV-VI) is superior to the the VV-IX table top (with a lid) and nearly as good as the VV-IX. If only there weren't so many of them.

The Smaller VV-IV with a 10 inch turntable is actually more popular with collectors because it is fairly light and portable.



Interesting. It is good to hear USA and UK gramophone comparisons.

It's like a parallel universe.


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 Post subject: Re: A Gramophone & Phonograph to rescue ?
PostPosted: Tue Nov 06, 2018 9:44 pm 
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As phonograph collectors, although we “think” that we need them...they actually need us more.
Get them both!


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