FBM - Peculiar (Suspect) 1909 HMV Table Top - Vanocuver, BC

[Lah Ca]

It is claimed that this is a 1909 HMV "hornless" machine.

It does not seem to have a 1909 patina.

And the horn grill does not look 1909ish, either.

What, pray tell, is this machine?

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[Inigo]

Fake imitation of the Pigmy? The hmv label is from the late forties the sooner...

[Lah Ca]

Fake imitation of the Pigmy? The hmv label is from the late forties the sooner...

Interesting. Thank you.

The horn grill looks real. But all the Pigmy models I can find are front winders, and this machine is not.

The unit as a whole looks sort of legitimate, apart from the additions of the grill and the HMV label. It does not look like a hack and chop Frankenphone.

I wonder what the machine was before it was dressed up as a Pigmy.

[Inigo]

Also, as you can see... the brake and speed regulation handle seem much later.

[Steve]

It doesn't have the Pigmy Grand tone-arm or "quick release" back-bracket, designed to enable this part to be dismantled for transport. It would be interesting to see all sides of the cabinet though. Can you get any more pictures?

[Lah Ca]

Can you get any more pictures?

There are no more posted, but I have asked the seller if it would be possible to get additional pictures, ones of the sides, back, bottom, and inside if possible.

[Lah Ca]

Whatever it may or may not be it looks real except perhaps for what looks like some sloppy cutting above the horn grill, but even this, if it is a Frankenphone modification, looks old.

Curious.

More pics:

[Lah Ca]

Can you get any more pictures?

Yes. I did. Any further thoughts on what the machine is?

[Inigo]

In the photo of the back, something can be seen in the back wood board where the black throat is attached: the wood has been cut and the grain looks different, there is a noticeable division line at the left of the black throat.
I bet it's a later 1918-20 Victrola vi or similar which has been modified to look as the older Pigmy model.

[JerryVan]

In the photo of the back, something can be seen in the back wood board where the black throat is attached: the wood has been cut and the grain looks different, there is a noticeable division line at the left of the black throat.
I bet it's a later 1918-20 Victrola vi or similar which has been modified to look as the older Pigmy model.

I noticed that too Inigo. Look also at the grill. A very irregular, amateur attempt!