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 Post subject: What is this machine, and does the reproducer look right?
PostPosted: Sat Jan 13, 2018 8:41 pm 
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Hi, everyone. I picked this up recently -- it came out of a barn, really -- and I'm trying to determine a) if this is a Columbia BII or a Columbia 60H; and b) if this reproducer is original to the machine. If it's not, does anyone have a picture of what a correct reproducer would look like? Thanks!


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 Post subject: Re: What is this machine, and does the reproducer look right
PostPosted: Sat Jan 13, 2018 8:45 pm 
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That is a Columbia BII. My reproducer is different, but I think there were a few reproducers used on the BII. The stock reproducer was a #6. My machine is a bit strange, but I have seen this gold plated reproducer on others, (mine may have been a special order with the gold plated reproducer and dust ring, polished brass elbow, black back bracket and huge, polished brass horn). I have no reason to doubt that your machine is correct. Good luck with your restoration. It is a very nice machine.


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 Post subject: Re: What is this machine, and does the reproducer look right
PostPosted: Sat Jan 13, 2018 8:49 pm 
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Thanks! I thought it might be, since the back bracket and tone arm look exactly the same as the ones on my BI. How can you tell the difference between this and the 60H? And do you know if the reproducer is correct?


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 Post subject: Re: What is this machine, and does the reproducer look right
PostPosted: Sat Jan 13, 2018 9:11 pm 
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It's a BII and the reproducer is correct. I believe the 60H was the later incarnation of this machine, that used Grafonola parts.


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 Post subject: Re: What is this machine, and does the reproducer look right
PostPosted: Sat Jan 13, 2018 9:16 pm 
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This is an all original BII. The reproducer is correct on this. The fact that this has stayed in a barn all these years, unmolested, makes it all original. There are some variations of the reproducer. Some had mica diaphragms, others had aluminum ones like yours. some had cover plates, and others like yours do not. The 60H used the motor and bedplate as a Grafonola Model 50. The tab in the back of the bedplate is where the tone arm attached to. Also, the tone arm is an upside down Grafonola one. The reproducer is the No. 6 Grafonola one.
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 Post subject: Re: What is this machine, and does the reproducer look right
PostPosted: Sun Jan 14, 2018 1:27 am 
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Amazing barn find... Show us some pics in the future after the many hours of restoration. Tom B


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 Post subject: Re: What is this machine, and does the reproducer look right
PostPosted: Sun Jan 14, 2018 10:47 am 
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Just curious, what part of the country was that barn in? The decal looks surprisingly good. Nice find.


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 Post subject: Re: What is this machine, and does the reproducer look right
PostPosted: Sun Jan 14, 2018 11:03 am 
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How can you tell the difference between this and the 60H?


The 60H is easily identified because it has a Grafonola type tone arm. The tone arm is pot metal and almost identical to the tone arms found on many Grafonolas. I believe the "60H" stands for $60 Horn type Grafonola. So yes there were Grafonolas with outside horns! If we ever have a phono nerd game show, that would be a good question.

Your machine is a nice find and I believe your reproducer is one of a few that were correct for your BII.

Jerry Blais


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