A fully restored VV-XVIII - perhaps worst job ever?

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Re: A fully restored VV-XVIII - perhaps worst job ever?

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phonogfp wrote:If Paul Edie and/or Bob Baumbach were responsible for that job, I'll eat that entire VV-XVIII.

George P.

Without ketchup?

Tastes better with ketchup.



That said, Mr. Edie and Mr. Baumbach both know well what these machines should look like. I am as certain as Mr. Paul that this is not their work.

It looks like a well-done Minwax Polyshades job. The pigmented Minwax stains can obscure and muddy the appearance of the Wood's grain if they are applied to excess.

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Re: A fully restored VV-XVIII - perhaps worst job ever?

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Uncle Vanya wrote:
phonogfp wrote:If Paul Edie and/or Bob Baumbach were responsible for that job, I'll eat that entire VV-XVIII.

George P.

Without ketchup?

Tastes better with ketchup.




That said, Mr. Edie and Mr. Baumbach both know well what these machines should look like. I am as certain as Mr. Paul that this is not their work.

It looks like a well-done Minwax Polyshades job. The pigmented Minwax stains can obscure and muddy the appearance of the Wood's grain if they are applied to excess.
Looks like some barbecue sauce is already included to me!
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Re: A fully restored VV-XVIII - perhaps worst job ever?

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Would it be best if we, the members of this forum, did not publicly criticize machines in an on-line public forum?
Perhaps asking for comments regarding a certain machine via pm would be much kinder.
This is not my machine nor do I know the owner, but I'd hate to read the remarks here if it was mine.
This is one of the reasons why I rarely post here any more.
I apologize if I come across as preachy or holier than thou.
Perhaps I'm more on the sensitive side than most.

Gene
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Re: A fully restored VV-XVIII - perhaps worst job ever?

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gemering wrote:Would it be best if we, the members of this forum, did not publicly criticize machines in an on-line public forum?
Perhaps asking for comments regarding a certain machine via pm would be much kinder.
This is not my machine nor do I know the owner, but I'd hate to read the remarks here if it was mine.
This is one of the reasons why I rarely post here any more.
I apologize if I come across as preachy or holy than thou.
Perhaps I'm more on the sensitive side than most.

Gene
Your point is well taken, though I think that the seller's apparent misattribution of the work to Edie is reason enough to remove that shield against criticism.

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Re: A fully restored VV-XVIII - perhaps worst job ever?

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Uncle Vanya wrote:
gemering wrote:Would it be best if we, the members of this forum, did not publicly criticize machines in an on-line public forum?
Perhaps asking for comments regarding a certain machine via pm would be much kinder.
This is not my machine nor do I know the owner, but I'd hate to read the remarks here if it was mine.
This is one of the reasons why I rarely post here any more.
I apologize if I come across as preachy or holy than thou.
Perhaps I'm more on the sensitive side than most.

Gene
Your point is well taken, though I think that the seller's apparent misattribution of the work to Edie is reason enough to remove that shield against criticism.
I agree. I can't remember posting criticism here unless it was asked for, but I'm sure neither Mr. Edie nor Mr. Baumbach would want that job attributed to them without someone offering an objection.

George P.

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Re: A fully restored VV-XVIII - perhaps worst job ever?

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Uncle Vanya wrote:
Your point is well taken, though I think that the seller's apparent misattribution of the work to Edie is reason enough to remove that shield against criticism.
the seller did not misrepresent - (s)he is selling two Victrolas - it is the other, not this one that is said to have been worked on by them - the OP on this thread mentioned the other listing in this thread and confused matters. Here is the CL listing for this XVIII, https://albany.craigslist.org/atq/d/hig ... 64071.html

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Re: A fully restored VV-XVIII - perhaps worst job ever?

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phonogfp wrote:
Uncle Vanya wrote:
gemering wrote:Would it be best if we, the members of this forum, did not publicly criticize machines in an on-line public forum?
Perhaps asking for comments regarding a certain machine via pm would be much kinder.
This is not my machine nor do I know the owner, but I'd hate to read the remarks here if it was mine.
This is one of the reasons why I rarely post here any more.
I apologize if I come across as preachy or holy than thou.
Perhaps I'm more on the sensitive side than most.

Gene
Your point is well taken, though I think that the seller's apparent misattribution of the work to Edie is reason enough to remove that shield against criticism.
I agree. I can't remember posting criticism here unless it was asked for, but I'm sure neither Mr. Edie nor Mr. Baumbach would want that job attributed to them without someone offering an objection.

George P.
But the seller makes no attribution to anyone and never did.

https://newjersey.craigslist.org/atq/d/ ... 64212.html

Here is a permanent link for reference:

https://web.archive.org/web/20190218211 ... 64212.html

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Re: A fully restored VV-XVIII - perhaps worst job ever?

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Same seller...

“A professionally restored Victor Victrola Mahogany XVII phonograph. Immaculate work done by the team at the Victor Victrola web site. A great gift.”

https://newjersey.craigslist.org/atq/d/ ... 24088.html

Not looking to stir anything up, but I don’t believe I confused anything either. Both of these machines are from the same person and appear to have received the same sort of treatment, although just this one is attributed to the “Victor victrola web site.” And I’m sorry, but I don’t see anything wrong in using these as an example of the type of “restorative” work that’s generally frowned upon by many in this collectors community, and in pointing that out and discussing, should people want to.
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Re: A fully restored VV-XVIII - perhaps worst job ever?

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VictrolaGuy - Walt wrote:But the seller makes no attribution to anyone and never did.

https://newjersey.craigslist.org/atq/d/ ... 64212.html

Here is a permanent link for reference:

https://web.archive.org/web/20190218211 ... 64212.html
You are correct, but they list a XVII and attributed that restoration to these people. That machine also has a bit of a muddy looking finish and overly polished gold plating. I think that an assumption was made that both were restored by the same people. Looking at the restorations, the assumption seems logical, but not conclusive. Either way, the finish on both machines looks completely wrong.

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Re: A fully restored VV-XVIII - perhaps worst job ever?

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Can we declare a postmortem on this horse? :)

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