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I just became aware that Youtube removed the sound from Jazzgirl's upload of The Piccadilly Players' "I'm sorry Sally," released on Edison DD 52442. This is the first time that I've become aware of an Edison record being the subject of copyright infringement. This is really ****** up! Edison records are supposed to be in the public domain.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3CEP4SDjiFY



Rocky

According to information posted on The Talking Machine Forum anything before 1923 can be posted. I can't verify its accuracy. Here's the link:

http://victrolagramophones.proboards.co ... y&thread=7

I hope all the heirs to "I'm Sorry Sally" are getting their monthly royalty checks!

Bob

I happened upon the video exactly one hour after it was uploaded. How bizarre that Youtube silenced the music so quickly.

The record was recorded in early 1929--later than the 1923 cutoff for records in the public domain. However, I thought that Edison records were exempt.



Rocky

OK, apparently I don't fully understand the whole copyright infringement business. So why does youtube allow Jazzgirl's upload of Carl Fenton Orchestra "The Rainbow Man" July 3, 1929 Gennett 6906? Likewise I know I've viewed other uploads of songs recorded after 1923.
Don

Did they say who claims to own the copyright?
UMG & WMG seem to be the biggest problem with youtube videos.
I really can't work out all this copyright nonsence either. I've had 2 videos disabled- 1 Frank Sinatra & 1 Lena Horne, yet another song, Civilization by Danny Kaye & the Andrews Sisters, has been disabled on everyone elses video except mine?
I've been told it's because I'm in Australia, but then I thought because Youtube is American based, that all uploads fell under US law.

I didn't think they could touch any Edison recordings either, so I'm wondering if The Pickadilly Players recorded "I'm Sorry Sally" for another label, or if the score itself might still be under copyright?
Sometimes I wonder if sound quality plays a part in what goes & what stays. They seem to pick on good quality digital transfers alot more than videos like mine that are just a camera infront of a gramophone. Put a digital copy of Judy Garlands Trolley Song on youtube & it will be gone within the hour, yet mines been up for 18 months or something.

All I can say is there must be "someone" making money off the Pickadilly Players recording for it to be removed.
It seems that just about anyone can lay claim to expired copyrights though.
An American music publisher claimed the copyright for Waltzing Matilda, and when Australia performed it at the US olympics, the Oz government ended up having to pay the music publisher because we sang it on your soil

I'd have at least 700-800 songs recorded after 1923 uploaded!

(C'mon, you have to admit that's funny!) Seriously, I apologize on behalf of our entire country!

It is kind of funny, but also kind of sad to think that anyone can basically steal a song that's out of copyright, then turn around & make money from it.
The same thing has happened to a song called "Wait Till The Clouds Roll By, Jennie".
Some fellow in Ireland (Phil Coulter) claimed it as his in the late 1980's, and then got a Joe Dolan to sing it. The song became a hit, & everyone who sings it has been paying Mr Coulter ever since.
My Edison BA by Walter Van Brunt & Zono disc by Will Oakland are the only 2 uploads of the song left on youtube, except the Dolan version, and a live performance by a Pete Coe, who I assume has paid Mr Coulter for the privilege
Apparently you or I can claim nearly any song that's out of copyright though the proper channels, and if you can make $1,000,000 from someone elses work, then good luck to you.
It just doesn't seem right to me.

I think it's strange that they removed the video. I also thought that Edison Records were in the public domain... But I agree with gramophoneshane that it might have something to do with the sound quality, if it is a digital transfer or a camera in front of a phonograph.

Hey Paal! Welcome to "The Talking Machine Forum".
Aaaron will be happy to know he's not the only 14 yr old here now