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 Post subject: C250/C19 Database project
PostPosted: Sat May 03, 2014 6:51 pm 
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Hi folks,

It is my intention to compile as much data as I can find to establish, exactly or as closely as I can, when significant production changes were made to the C250 and C19 Diamond Disc Phonographs over their lifetimes. Once compiled, I feel that I should be able to demonstrate a chronological history of these changes and, hopefully, identify precisely when these changes were implemented by Thomas A. Edison Inc., from a serialization standpoint and when.

This is a large undertaking and, admittedly, I am a bit daunted, but I shall do my best.

The following are particular features and characteristics that I am looking for:

1. Model Designation: (C-250 or C-19)

2. Serial Number:

3. Bedplate Pinstriping: Y/N

4. "Official Laboratory" Medallion: Round/Pentagonal/None

5. Exact Wording of the Medallion: Please be precise (Abbreviated signature, for example)

6. Record Storage: Drawers or Shelves?

7. Cabinet Wood Type: Mahogany or Oak?

8. Duncan Stop?: Y/N

9. Dealer Tag: Name/Address, Location On Machine

10. Original Dated Sales Receipt/Shipping Documentation, etc.: (Dates are particularly noteworthy):

11. Grille cloth? Color?

For those with C-19's, please supplement the above information to include the following addendums to the list of criteria that I've asked for previously:

12) Is the reproducer, horn throat, and other hardware on the turntable gold plated or gun-metal?

13) Is the record storage door held open by a rod at the top, center shelf or the bottom of the cabinet?

14) Are the numbered strips for the record storage 1-36 on both strips or 1-36 on the top strip and 37-72 on the bottom strip?

15) Does the governor have 2 springs or 3 springs?

If you would rather remain anonymous, please feel free to PM me here, or you can email me at FPratt1426 (at) gmail (dot) com, instead of posting a reply.

Your participation and comments are truly appreciated, thank you,

Fran
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"Even a blind squirrel finds a nut once in a while" - the unappreciative supervisor.


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 Post subject: Re: C250/C19 Database project
PostPosted: Sat May 03, 2014 7:03 pm 
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First! :)

1. Model Designation (C-250 or C-19): C-19

2. Serial Number: 123850

3. Bedplate Pinstriping: N

4. "Official Laboratory" Medallion: Round

5. Exact Wording of the Medallion: "Diamond Disc Official Laboratory Model Thos. A. Edison"

6. Record Storage: Drawers or Shelves? 2 Shelves with dividers, both numbered 1-36

7. Cabinet Wood Type: Mahogany

8. Duncan Stop?: N

9. Dealer Tag: None

10. Original Dated Sales Receipt/Shipping Documentation, etc. (Dates are particularly noteworthy): None available.


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 Post subject: Re: C250/C19 Database project
PostPosted: Sat May 03, 2014 7:19 pm 
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Thank you! Let the fun begin!

Fran
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 Post subject: Re: C250/C19 Database project
PostPosted: Sat May 03, 2014 7:22 pm 
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#2 -

1. Model Designation (C-250 or C-19): C-19

2. Serial Number: SM 145343

3. Bedplate Pinstriping: None

4. "Official Laboratory" Medallion: Round

5. Exact Wording of the Medallion: "Diamond Disc Official Laboratory Model Thos. A. Edison"

6. Record Storage: Drawers or Shelves? 2 Shelves with dividers, both numbered 1-36

7. Cabinet Wood Type: Mahogany

8. Duncan Stop?: N

9. Dealer Tag: None

10. Original Dated Sales Receipt/Shipping Documentation, etc. (Dates are particularly noteworthy): None available.

11. Grille-cloth Material / Color : silk (?), gold, original.


( I took the liberty of adding a line for grille-cloth... )
De Soto Frank


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 Post subject: Re: C250/C19 Database project
PostPosted: Sat May 03, 2014 7:31 pm 
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#3 -

1. Model Designation (C-250 or C-19): C-19

2. Serial Number: SM 139485

3. Bedplate Pinstriping: None

4. "Official Laboratory" Medallion: Round

5. Exact Wording of the Medallion: "Diamond Disc / Official Laboratory / Model / Thos. A. Edison"

6. Record Storage: Drawers or Shelves? 2 Shelves with dividers, both numbered 1-36

7. Cabinet Wood Type: Golden Oak

8. Duncan Stop?: N

9. Dealer Tag: None

10. Original Dated Sales Receipt/Shipping Documentation, etc. (Dates are particularly noteworthy): None available.

11. Grille-cloth Material / Color: missing. a few threads of green fabric stuck in hide-glue on backside of grille. Slightly lighter in color than turntable felt.
De Soto Frank


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 Post subject: Re: C250/C19 Database project
PostPosted: Sat May 03, 2014 7:33 pm 
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1. Model Designation: C250

2. Serial Number: 12011

3. Bedplate Pinstriping: Y

4. "Official Laboratory" Medallion: Pentagonal

5. Exact Wording of the Medallion: " The $250 Diamond Disc is the Official Laboratory Model Thos A Edison"

6. Record Storage: Drawers

7. Cabinet Wood Type: Mahogany

8. Duncan Stop?: N

9. Dealer Tag: None

10. Original Dated Sales Receipt/Shipping Documentation, etc: None available.

Dave Jolley


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 Post subject: Re: C250/C19 Database project
PostPosted: Sat May 03, 2014 7:39 pm 
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De Soto Frank wrote:
#3 -

1. Model Designation (C-250 or C-19): C-19

2. Serial Number: SM 139485

3. Bedplate Pinstriping: None

4. "Official Laboratory" Medallion: Round

5. Exact Wording of the Medallion: "Diamond Disc / Official Laboratory / Model / Thos. A. Edison"

6. Record Storage: Drawers or Shelves? 2 Shelves with dividers, both numbered 1-36

7. Cabinet Wood Type: Golden Oak

8. Duncan Stop?: N

9. Dealer Tag: None

10. Original Dated Sales Receipt/Shipping Documentation, etc. (Dates are particularly noteworthy): None available.

11. Grille-cloth Material / Color: missing. a few threads of green fabric stuck in hide-glue on backside of grille. Slightly lighter in color than turntable felt.


Thank you, Frank, I will note the grille coverings in my data.

Is there a machine No.1? I received #2 & #3.

EDIT: Nevermind Frank, I'm just a little thick sometimes!

Fran
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 Post subject: Re: C250/C19 Database project
PostPosted: Sat May 03, 2014 7:42 pm 
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Discman wrote:
1. Model Designation: C250

2. Serial Number: 12011

3. Bedplate Pinstriping: Y

4. "Official Laboratory" Medallion: Pentagonal

5. Exact Wording of the Medallion: " The $250 Diamond Disc is the Official Laboratory Model"

6. Record Storage: Drawers

7. Cabinet Wood Type: Mahogany

8. Duncan Stop?: N

9. Dealer Tag: None

10. Original Dated Sales Receipt/Shipping Documentation, etc: None available.

Dave Jolley


Thank you, Dave.
Francis; "i" for him, "e" for her
"Even a blind squirrel finds a nut once in a while" - the unappreciative supervisor.


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 Post subject: Re: C250/C19 Database project
PostPosted: Sat May 03, 2014 7:50 pm 
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fran604g wrote:
De Soto Frank wrote:
#3 -
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Thank you, Frank, I will note the grille coverings in my data.

Is there a machine No.1? I received #2 & #3.

Fran



Fran,

I just have two DD players... I meant to indicate they were the second & third replies... I guest the post index would do that though... ;)
De Soto Frank


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 Post subject: Re: C250/C19 Database project
PostPosted: Sat May 03, 2014 7:51 pm 
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1. Model Designation (C-250 or C-19): C-250

2. Serial Number:SM 53109

3. Bedplate Pinstriping: No

4. "Official Laboratory" Medallion: Round/Pentagonal/None: Round

5. Exact Wording of the Medallion: "The Model 250 Diamond Disc Phonograph is The Official Laboratory Model. Thos A Edison"

6. Record Storage: Drawers or Shelves? Drawers

7. Cabinet Wood Type: Mahogany or Oak? Mahogany

8. Duncan Stop?: Has the parts but not the reproducer

9. Dealer Tag: Name/Address, Location On Machine None

10. Original Dated Sales Receipt/Shipping Documentation, etc. (Dates are particularly noteworthy): None

11. Green cloth remnants in back of grill.
-Tom


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