C250/C19 Database project

[fran604g]

I have the following

Model: c-19
SN 184391
Pinstriping: No except "Trade Thomas Edison Mark" in gold upper right corner
Medallion: raised circle
Wording: Diamond Disc Official Laboratory Model Thos A Edison
(There's a chick standing at the left)
Record storage: shelves with dividers, two rows
Finish: mahogany
Dealer tag on rear panel of lid: The Phonograph Co. Huron Road, Cleveland Ohio + two phone numbers
Duncan Stop: I don't know what this is but it has a brake
Also a lever at lower left of motor board that moves a dowel left and right, unknown use
Sales recpt: none
Grille cloth was replaced with red flannel, now removed.

John

Thank you, John. I've added your Chippendale to the list. A Duncan stop is an electrically actuated brake that was sold by Edison on some C250's. It was mounted on rear of the reproducer and would be wired through a "tube" on the horn throat and connected to an electric stop mounted under the turntable.

This a very short description best left to others with more knowledge than myself.

Fran

[fran604g]

Hi Fran!
I see you've been bitten by the data bug. Good for you! Good for us! I'll be looking forward to seeing the list grow. Here's mine for the list. I've added a Miscellaneous Notes in case you find it useful later. When doing my Standard data I've found stuff in my notes area that led to new categories over the years. Good luck with the project!


1. Model Designation: C-19

2. Serial Number: 136969

3. Bedplate Pinstriping: No

4. "Official Laboratory" Medallion: Round

5. Exact Wording of the Medallion: Please be precise: N/A - currently has "Diamond Disc, Official Laboratory Model, Thos. A. Edison"

6. Record Storage: Drawers or Shelves? Two shelves - (1-36 each strip - replacements)

7. Cabinet Wood Type: Mahogany or Oak? Mahogany

8. Duncan Stop?: No

9. Dealer Tag: Name/Address, Location On Machine: None

10. Original Dated Sales Receipt/Shipping Documentation, etc.: None

11. Grille cloth? Color? N/A - currently has maroon

12. Misc. notes: Patent plate on front left inside of case - anodized aluminum with die cut corners (last patent date May 23, 1916), has green TT felt, reproducer serial number B46991 (thought to be original to machine), speed control knob on top of bedplate (left, rear), case finish is red mahogany (outside is refinished), machine acquired from antique shop in Healdsburg, CA in 2004 - now located in Covina, CA. 05/04/14.

- Martin

Thank you, Martin!

I've recorded your Chippendale and included your historical notes.

I am very excited to do this; my first attempt to put together something that should be helpful to us all. I am honored to contribute.

Best,
Fran

[fran604g]

Thanks De Soto. Mine has no Duncan stop then.
Shelve slots are numbered 1-36 and 37-72 by the way.
I do not use the slots at the far ends because I find it difficult to remove the records and fear damaging them.
John

Thank you, John, I've added your note.

Best,
Fran

[Phonolair]

Thank you Fran for the great effort of taking on this data project. I see C19's & 250's on eBay from time to time that may supply some of the information you are gathering also.

The following is from my machine.

1. Model Designation: C-19

2. Serial Number: 173902

3. Bedplate Pinstriping: No

4. "Official Laboratory" Medallion: Round,

5. Exact Wording of the Medallion: "Diamond Disc Official Laboratory Model Thos. A Edison"

6. Record Storage: Shelves, top 1-36 bottom 37 -72

7. Cabinet Wood Type: Oak

8. Duncan Stop?: No

9. Dealer Tag: None

10. Original Dated Sales Receipt/Shipping Documentation, None

11. Grille cloth? Strands of gold cloth left in the glue

12 Misc. comments: Has the 10 & 12 inch record start switch

Best Regards, Larry

[fran604g]

Thank you Fran for the great effort of taking on this data project. I see C19's & 250's on eBay from time to time that may supply some of the information you are gathering also.

The following is from my machine.

1. Model Designation: C-19

2. Serial Number: 173902

3. Bedplate Pinstriping: No

4. "Official Laboratory" Medallion: Round,

5. Exact Wording of the Medallion: "Diamond Disc Official Laboratory Model Thos. A Edison"

6. Record Storage: Shelves, top 1-36 bottom 37 -72

7. Cabinet Wood Type: Oak

8. Duncan Stop?: No

9. Dealer Tag: None

10. Original Dated Sales Receipt/Shipping Documentation, None

11. Grille cloth? Strands of gold cloth left in the glue

12 Misc. comments: Has the 10 & 12 inch record start switch

Best Regards, Larry

Thank you, Larry. Duly noted.

EDITED: I have been watching eBay and Craigslist, as you mentioned, so far 4 Chippendales have been noted. Thank you for your suggestion.

Best,
Fran

[fran604g]

1. Model Designation (C-250 or C-19): C-19

2. Serial Number: 137581

3. Bedplate Pinstriping: N

4. "Official Laboratory" Medallion: Round

5. Exact Wording of the Medallion: "Diamond Disc Offical Laboratory Model" Thomas A. Edison

6. Record Storage: Drawers

7. Cabinet Wood Type: Mahogany

8. Duncan Stop?: N

9. Dealer Tag: Name/Address, Location On Machine --- No Dealer tag present.

10. Original Dated Sales Receipt/Shipping Documentation, etc. (Dates are particularly noteworthy): None present 2 record catalog supplements and one whole one for DD's came with it dated 1920 thru July 1921. All supplements and the large catalog are stamped "The Davis-Kaser Co. Complete Home Furnishers, Walla Walla Washington"

11. Grille cloth? Color? Not original

Good Luck,
Matt

Thank you for your contribution, Matt. I've edited the entry.

Best, Fran

[fran604g]

Hi folks,

A short update:

I've been tracking machines at eBay, Craigslist and the internet for the past few days with success on 8 or 10 additions to my database. A contributor outside of our group was gracious enough to respond to my email, with a C19 that was purchased new by his Great Uncle in October or November 1919. He has restored it and still enjoys using it.

Thank you, Richard Densmore!

Obviously, dates are especially important in trying to establish an accurate timeline, so far, I've only encountered three Chippendales with dates.

There are many more emails and PM's I'm waiting on replies from. My count so far is 20 C250's and 23 C19's, I hope to observe many more!

Best,
Fran

[FloridaClay]

Model Designation: (C-250 or C-19) C-19

2. Serial Number: 140237

3. Bedplate Pinstriping: Y/N No

4. "Official Laboratory" Medallion: Round/Pentagonal/None Round

5. Exact Wording of the Medallion: Please be precise (Abbreviated signature, for example) Diamond Disc, Official Laboratory Model, Thos A Edison

6. Record Storage: Drawers or Shelves? Shelves with divider slats

7. Cabinet Wood Type: Mahogany or Oak? fumed oak

8. Duncan Stop?: Y/N no

9. Dealer Tag: Name/Address, Location On Machine none

10. Original Dated Sales Receipt/Shipping Documentation, etc.: (Dates are particularly noteworthy): No sales receipt. Other documentation indicates machine purchased at John A. Mullet's, Superior, NB

11. Grille cloth? Color? Yes, gold -- not certain if original

[Discman]

Fran,
Here is an interesting piece of ephemera with the serial number and date for a C19 that was sold on May 1, 1920 in Montevideo, MN. These certificates were issued to buyers who attended a Tone Test demonstration and then bought a machine. It will be interesting to see if the machine matching this serial number turns up. I have another one of these for machine 134638 that was signed by Helen Clark and Joseph Phillips but never completed. I think the dealer must have gotten over zealous and had some extra certificates signed at a demonstration but then didn't sell the machine.
Dave Jolley

[fran604g]

Model Designation: (C-250 or C-19) C-19

2. Serial Number: 140237

3. Bedplate Pinstriping: Y/N No

4. "Official Laboratory" Medallion: Round/Pentagonal/None Round

5. Exact Wording of the Medallion: Please be precise (Abbreviated signature, for example) Diamond Disc, Official Laboratory Model, Thos A Edison

6. Record Storage: Drawers or Shelves? Shelves with divider slats

7. Cabinet Wood Type: Mahogany or Oak? fumed oak

8. Duncan Stop?: Y/N no

9. Dealer Tag: Name/Address, Location On Machine none

10. Original Dated Sales Receipt/Shipping Documentation, etc.: (Dates are particularly noteworthy): No sales receipt. Other documentation indicates machine purchased at John A. Mullet's, Superior, NB

11. Grille cloth? Color? Yes, gold -- not certain if original

Thank you, Clay. And to repeat others, yours is a beautiful Chippendale!

Much appreciated,
Fran