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 Post subject: L-door XVI
PostPosted: Thu Jun 14, 2018 7:42 pm 
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I was hoping that someone with more knowledge on VV-XVIs could answer this question. I am looking at a mahogany L-Door to purchase. It has a later brake set-up on it. Is this correct? The motor board looks like a match to the cabinet but I have never seen an L-Door with this brake set-up. The motor board is also recessed. I have asked for a picture of the ID plate to get a serial number. Thanks in advance for any information.
Ken


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 Post subject: Re: L-door XVI
PostPosted: Thu Jun 14, 2018 7:50 pm 
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According to the Victor Data Book, some models did use that brake.
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 Post subject: Re: L-door XVI
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Ken,

I don't know the XVI inside and out, but I do know a tiny little bit about the Victor habit of offering upgrades for everything.

My XIV came with an automatic brake from the factory marked as VICTOR SEMI AUTOMATIC BRAKE. Yours is an aftermarket--as the tone arm is not drilled and tapped for the trigger arm, but it rather clamps over the taper tube itself.

I think this is more interesting and unique even than the venerable bullet brake (cool to watch and sounds good when it clicks on) because this is a rare accessory showing the way in which The Customer could always be persuaded to spoon them "beans" into the Victor bankrolls.

Also, it turns itself off, which is nice.

Good luck and that looks like really pretty plating on that machine! Mahogany and gold can't be beat.


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 Post subject: Re: L-door XVI
PostPosted: Thu Jun 14, 2018 9:23 pm 
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Thanks for the replies. It does look like an upgrade from the way it left the factory. Another picture was sent that shows the bullet brake was there. This may be worth going after.


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 Post subject: Re: L-door XVI
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Ken, if I am correct, the flush mounted motor board indicates this should be a "C" suffix machine. I believe the earlier examples might have left the factory with the bullet type brake but as this one is equipped, upgraded with the later tab type. Hope this helps. Regards, Wes


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 Post subject: Re: L-door XVI
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I had a 1911 XVI mahogany L-door at one time which had the tab brake and bolt/clip-on auto brake accessory. There wasn't even a ghost/vestige of the bullet brake on it. I believe it came from the factory with the tab brake, and the auto-stop, as was mentioned, was an accessory.

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 Post subject: Re: L-door XVI
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My D series has the tab brake and bolt-on auto stop as well.

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 Post subject: Re: L-door XVI
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Looks like this was certainly an upgrade. In my limited experience, most of the L doors did not receive upgrades such as this which may make this example more historically interesting.


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 Post subject: Re: L-door XVI
PostPosted: Fri Jun 15, 2018 8:21 am 
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It's correct.


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 Post subject: Re: L-door XVI
PostPosted: Fri Jun 15, 2018 7:14 pm 
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I read in my Look For The Dog book, that this accessory came out in 1913. That's when the the Victrolas had this brake system factory installed. The L-Door manufacturing ceased in 1912. This is definitely an upgrade, or a NOS L-Door possibly sold at reduced price. Check for any labels or markings to see if this was a Victor second hand machine. Also, note the record brush on the arm and reproducer. It's a really nice machine showing a lot of upgraded history. If the price is right, go for it.
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