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 Post subject: Edisonic and Long Playing Consoles Survey
PostPosted: Fri Dec 04, 2015 4:43 pm 
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Hi folks,

As many of you are no doubt aware, forum member pughphonos has compiled a serial number listing of extant Edisonic Beethovens and Schuberts. After a recent conversation with him over at his post http://forum.talkingmachine.info/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=16654, we both thought it might be a good idea to take his survey to the next level, and begin to document specific features that are found on them.

After considering which questions I might think pertinent for the study of them, I thought it might be prudent to expand a survey to include the Long Playing models as well, before any more examples disappear forever.

In theory, this survey doesn't necessarily duplicate his work, and our hope is that those whom participated in the earlier list, will also take the time to submit additional information here.

As with the other surveys I maintain here at the forum, I will keep a detailed spreadsheet, and I will extend my research to include other sources of information, and the data will eventually be shared with the collecting/historical community for their use as a tool to help understand these archaic, and beloved Edison Diamond Disc Phonographs.

Please answer the following questions as accurately as possible:

1) What is the model? Schubert(CLT), Beethoven(BN), Long Playing console: 1-C, 2-C, 3-C, 4-C.

2) What is the serial number on the dataplate? "?????"

3) Is there a speed control knob present in the left hand corner of the motor-plate? "YES/NO"

4) What finish is present on the hardware and reproducer? "Gun-metal", "Gold", "Nickel"

5) Which reproducer(s) are present? "Regular", "Edisonic", "LP", "78 (or lateral) Adapter"

6) Does your Phonograph (Schubert/Beethoven owners) have the Long and Short gearing present? "YES/NO"

7) Does your Phonograph have the "10 and 12 inch" buttons present? "YES/NO"

8) Are there any other special attachments present: Such as; tone arm adapters, other soundboxes or reproducers, single or double reproducer holder, needle cups, or any other interesting additional features? Please list each with any observed manufacturer identification, if possible.

9) Are there any original documents or dealer identification with, or fastened to, your Phonograph? Please describe in detail with location if affixed to Phonograph.

10) What is the Cabinet Factory No. (if a sticker is present inside the horn compartment)? "Cabinet Factory No.???"

I appreciate your participation, and welcome any additional comments of interest.

Thank you,
Fran
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 Post subject: Re: Edisonic and Long Playing Consoles Survey
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I'll begin the fun with my recent acquisition:

1) What is the model? Schubert(CLT)

2) What is the serial number on the dataplate? 1844

3) Is there a speed control knob present in the left hand corner of the motor-plate? NO

4) What finish is present on the hardware and reproducer? Gun-metal

5) Which reproducer(s) are present? NONE

6) Does your Phonograph (Schubert/Beethoven owners) have the Long and Short gearing present? NO

7) Does your Phonograph have the "10 and 12 inch" buttons present? NO

8) Are there any other special attachments present, such as: NONE

9) Are there any original documents or dealer identification with, or fastened to, your Phonograph? NONE

10) What is the Cabinet Factory No. (if a sticker is present inside the horn compartment)? NONE

Fran
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 Post subject: Re: Edisonic and Long Playing Consoles Survey
PostPosted: Fri Dec 04, 2015 6:27 pm 
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1) What is the model? Beethoven(BN)
2) What is the serial number on the dataplate? 1757
3) Is there a speed control knob present in the left hand corner of the motor-plate? NO

4) What finish is present on the hardware and reproducer? "Gun-metal"

5) Which reproducer(s) are present? "Regular", "Edisonic"

6) Does your Phonograph (Schubert/Beethoven owners) have the Long and Short gearing present? "YES"

7) Does your Phonograph have the "10 and 12 inch" buttons present? NO! sorry for the original oversight.

8) Are there any other special attachments present: Such as; tone arm adapters, other soundboxes or reproducers, single or double reproducer holder, needle cups, or any other interesting additional features? Please list each with any observed manufacturer identification, if possible. None

9) Are there any original documents or dealer identification with, or fastened to, your Phonograph? Please describe in detail with location if affixed to Phonograph. There are 2 numbers engraved on the bedplate. One looks like a SS#? See pictures below
10) What is the Cabinet Factory No. (if a sticker is present inside the horn compartment)? "Cabinet Factory No.18"


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 Post subject: Re: Edisonic and Long Playing Consoles Survey
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Thank you, sir!

I'll add it to the spreadsheet.

Best,
Fran
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 Post subject: Re: Edisonic and Long Playing Consoles Survey
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I was going to say that no Edisonic machine could have the 10" - 12" buttons on them because they work by having a feeler lever go down to touch the top part of the horn. On Edison Lab models or other Edison models before the Edisonics, the horns are located just under the motor boards. On Edisonics, the horns are mounted low down next to the floor of the horn compartment. So I would like to see a pic of the machine above that says that he does have these keys on his. If he does, then they would not work unless they have extra long feeler levers.

Thanks, Marc.


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 Post subject: Re: Edisonic and Long Playing Consoles Survey
PostPosted: Sat Dec 05, 2015 7:18 am 
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Dear Fran,

From a very breezey United Kingdom:


1) What is the model? Long Playing console: 3-C,

2) What is the serial number on the dataplate? "1159"

3) Is there a speed control knob present in the left hand corner of the motor-plate? "YES"

4) What finish is present on the hardware and reproducer? "Gun-metal"

5) Which reproducer(s) are present? "Regular", "LP", "78 (and vertical) Adapter"

7) Does your Phonograph have the "10 and 12 inch" buttons present? "YES"

8) Are there any other special attachments present: double reproducer holder

9) Are there any original documents or dealer identification with, or fastened to, your Phonograph? Please describe in detail with location if affixed to Phonograph. No

10) What is the Cabinet Factory No. (if a sticker is present inside the horn compartment)? "Cabinet Factory No.18"

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Hope this helps

All the best

Tim W-W



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 Post subject: Re: Edisonic and Long Playing Consoles Survey
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DGPros wrote:
7) Does your Phonograph have the "10 and 12 inch" buttons present? "YES"

marcapra wrote:
I was going to say that no Edisonic machine could have the 10" - 12" buttons on them because they work by having a feeler lever go down to touch the top part of the horn. On Edison Lab models or other Edison models before the Edisonics, the horns are located just under the motor boards. On Edisonics, the horns are mounted low down next to the floor of the horn compartment. So I would like to see a pic of the machine above that says that he does have these keys on his. If he does, then they would not work unless they have extra long feeler levers.

Thanks, Marc.


Good catch, Marc! You're absolutely correct, this feature on a "Schubert" would necessitate some alterations of the typical cabinet construction, as well the 10 and 12 inch mechanism, as you point out.

I hadn't entered this data into my spreadsheet yet, but likely, I would have just blindly placed it into my database, and noticed the anomaly later on when reviewing my data. I'll PM him and ask him to re-examine his response.

Thank you,
Fran
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 Post subject: Re: Edisonic and Long Playing Consoles Survey
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Dear Fran,

From a very breezey United Kingdom:

Hope this helps

All the best

Tim W-W


Thank you, Tim. The complete "ensemble"! :)

It's always a treat to see pictures, I'm very happy that you took the time to include them!

Best,
Fran
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marcapra wrote:
I was going to say that no Edisonic machine could have the 10" - 12" buttons on them because they work by having a feeler lever go down to touch the top part of the horn. On Edison Lab models or other Edison models before the Edisonics, the horns are located just under the motor boards. On Edisonics, the horns are mounted low down next to the floor of the horn compartment. So I would like to see a pic of the machine above that says that he does have these keys on his. If he does, then they would not work unless they have extra long feeler levers.

Thanks, Marc.

Sorry, I got my long,short, 10,12 jumbled in my head :oops: You are correct there is no 10-12 on my BN
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 Post subject: Re: Edisonic and Long Playing Consoles Survey
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DGPros wrote:
marcapra wrote:
I was going to say that no Edisonic machine could have the 10" - 12" buttons on them because they work by having a feeler lever go down to touch the top part of the horn. On Edison Lab models or other Edison models before the Edisonics, the horns are located just under the motor boards. On Edisonics, the horns are mounted low down next to the floor of the horn compartment. So I would like to see a pic of the machine above that says that he does have these keys on his. If he does, then they would not work unless they have extra long feeler levers.

Thanks, Marc.

Sorry, I got my long,short, 10,12 jumbled in my head :oops: You are correct there is no 10-12 on my BN


Thank you DGPros, for the clarification.

Admittedly, I know literally nothing of the Beethoven model, so this is a good first lesson for me. I knew that the Schuberts had no inner trim piece surrounding the turntable, but didn't want to make the assumption that the same logic could be applied to the Beethoven.

Best,
Fran
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