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 Post subject: Shaving Machine - Problem of Blade
PostPosted: Wed Nov 29, 2017 8:03 pm 
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Hello Everybody,

Today i have found this Shaving machine. In France it is difficult to found. So i have buy it without hesitation.
I have completly dissasemble it, clean it, oiled it. But the problem is that, the machine don't shave very good!

It is this model:
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At the level of the blade there is that. For you is it correct?
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When i have try to shave a 2min cylinder, it was very hazardous. The problem is that maybe the little steel plaque is not enough keep? Or i have seen that i can change a little the position of the blade. But it is very hazardous to.

What do you think about this?

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French 20 years old Phonograph collector!


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 Post subject: Re: Shaving Machine - Problem of Blade
PostPosted: Wed Nov 29, 2017 8:49 pm 
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Problem of blade is correct.

You need the type of shaver that has a small
sapphire cutter which travels across the surface
of the blank, driven by the feed screw.
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 Post subject: Re: Shaving Machine - Problem of Blade
PostPosted: Wed Nov 29, 2017 11:26 pm 
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Hi kraftwerknation63!

You have a very collectable shaver for the post-1912 4 minute home recording blanks. The wax is quite a bit harder than the more common 2 minute brown wax blanks. I don't know how effective the 4 minute shaver was - it didn't last long.

You will need a shaver with the moving arm with the sapphire cutter. An Ediphone or Dictaphone shaver is a pretty good lower cost alternative. Here's a couple of shots of my Ediphone shaver:
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The 4 minute shaver is rather hard to come by, so in a way you did very well. However you will find the other type way better for shaving.

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 Post subject: Re: Shaving Machine - Problem of Blade
PostPosted: Thu Nov 30, 2017 5:41 am 
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Chuck wrote:
Problem of blade is correct.

You need the type of shaver that has a small
sapphire cutter which travels across the surface
of the blank, driven by the feed screw.


Ok Chuck! I see the model! I confess that i have not think a lot about this machine. Because in France it is very difficult to found. Thank you for your information Chuck! :)
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 Post subject: Re: Shaving Machine - Problem of Blade
PostPosted: Thu Nov 30, 2017 5:44 am 
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martinola wrote:
Hi kraftwerknation63!

You have a very collectable shaver for the post-1912 4 minute home recording blanks. The wax is quite a bit harder than the more common 2 minute brown wax blanks. I don't know how effective the 4 minute shaver was - it didn't last long.

You will need a shaver with the moving arm with the sapphire cutter. An Ediphone or Dictaphone shaver is a pretty good lower cost alternative. Here's a couple of shots of my Ediphone shaver:
Attachment:
SHVR_wide.jpg

Attachment:
SHVR_top_view.jpg

The 4 minute shaver is rather hard to come by, so in a way you did very well. However you will find the other type way better for shaving.

Regards,
Martin


Ok Martin! So if i understand this machine is useless on 2 minutes. But useful on 4 minutes. Maybe i can sell it without problem if it is scarce. Beautiful machine, very cheap in US, but impossible to found in Europe! :? Maybe i an have a classic shaving machine! :)
French 20 years old Phonograph collector!


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 Post subject: Re: Shaving Machine - Problem of Blade
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martinola wrote:
Hi kraftwerknation63!

You have a very collectable shaver for the post-1912 4 minute home recording blanks. The wax is quite a bit harder than the more common 2 minute brown wax blanks. I don't know how effective the 4 minute shaver was - it didn't last long.

You will need a shaver with the moving arm with the sapphire cutter. An Ediphone or Dictaphone shaver is a pretty good lower cost alternative. Here's a couple of shots of my Ediphone shaver:

The 4 minute shaver is rather hard to come by, so in a way you did very well. However you will find the other type way better for shaving.

Regards,
Martin


Ok Martin! So if i understand this machine is useless on 2 minutes. But useful on 4 minutes. Maybe i can sell it without problem if it is scarce. Beautiful machine, very cheap in US, but impossible to found in Europe! :? Maybe i an have a classic shaving machine! :)
French 20 years old Phonograph collector!


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 Post subject: Re: Shaving Machine - Problem of Blade
PostPosted: Thu Nov 30, 2017 7:09 am 
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kraftwerknation63 wrote:
if i understand this machine is useless on 2 minutes. But useful on 4 minutes. Maybe i can sell it without problem if it is scarce. Beautiful machine, very cheap in US, but impossible to found in Europe!


The shaving machine that you have is scarce everywhere. Definitely not 'very cheap in US' so I don't think you'll have any problem selling it in France, in the US or almost any place where there are collectors of Edison memorabilia. That particular Edison Shaving Machine that you have is surely not very useful for shaving cylinders appropriately today (and it was likely pretty awful at shaving a cylinder appropriately when new). But it is great for display. If you decide to sell it and price it right you'll have some collectors waiting in line for it. As mentioned by others, get yourself a conventional shaving machine with a good cutting stylus using the traversing method and you should be able to shave up a storm. :)

Doug


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 Post subject: Re: Shaving Machine - Problem of Blade
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kraftwerknation63 wrote:
if i understand this machine is useless on 2 minutes. But useful on 4 minutes. Maybe i can sell it without problem if it is scarce. Beautiful machine, very cheap in US, but impossible to found in Europe!


The shaving machine that you have is scarce everywhere. Definitely not 'very cheap in US' so I don't think you'll have any problem selling it in France, in the US or almost any place where there are collectors of Edison memorabilia. That particular Edison Shaving Machine that you have is surely not very useful for shaving cylinders appropriately today (and it was likely pretty awful at shaving a cylinder appropriately when new). But it is great for display. If you decide to sell it and price it right you'll have some collectors waiting in line for it. As mentioned by others, get yourself a conventional shaving machine with a good cutting stylus using the traversing method and you should be able to shave up a storm. :)

Doug


Thank you a lot Doug! I have put a announce on Yankee Trader. Thanks again :) I hope that it can be useful for another person.
Amically
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 Post subject: Re: Shaving Machine - Problem of Blade
PostPosted: Thu Nov 30, 2017 1:56 pm 
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All this is kind of confusing to me. Why would this thing not work? Why would Edison put out a shaver that does not work? Why would a " softer material" not work. Did you sharpen the blade? I do not believe a 100 year old blade can be any good. Are you certain, you used it correctly? The way I see it there are so many variables to consider, speed, pressure, direction. What did happen to the cylinders?
Does anyone know how to really use this thing?


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 Post subject: Re: Shaving Machine - Problem of Blade
PostPosted: Thu Nov 30, 2017 11:00 pm 
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martinola wrote:
Hi kraftwerknation63!

You have a very collectable shaver for the post-1912 4 minute home recording blanks. The wax is quite a bit harder than the more common 2 minute brown wax blanks. I don't know how effective the 4 minute shaver was - it didn't last long.

You will need a shaver with the moving arm with the sapphire cutter. An Ediphone or Dictaphone shaver is a pretty good lower cost alternative. Here's a couple of shots of my Ediphone shaver:
Attachment:
SHVR_wide.jpg

Attachment:
SHVR_top_view.jpg

The 4 minute shaver is rather hard to come by, so in a way you did very well. However you will find the other type way better for shaving.

Regards,
Martin

Query: Did the Ediphone shavers use the same blade assembly as the earlier models? I have a hand cranked model that could use some parts there.

Bill


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