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 Post subject: C250/C19 Database Survey - Updated 3/21/2018
PostPosted: Wed Apr 11, 2018 9:58 am 
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Hi folks,

My original "C250/C19 database survey" post had grown to the point in which I had made several significant alterations to my original questionnaire questions, so I've decided to do this 2nd, UPDATED post, to reflect my current needs.

I will continue to update my spreadsheet to reflect new entries, as before.

The "old" page can be found here: viewtopic.php?f=2&t=16837

Those of you who have already submitted your information in the past, you don't need to do it again, the original post has not been deleted, but moving forward, all new participants should submit their information here.



The following are particular features that I am observing on the Edison C250/C19 Chippendale Phonographs, please number your responses accordingly.

1. What is the Model Designation? "C 250" or "C 19"

2. What is the Serial Number? "SM-??????"

3. Which finish does the motor plate have?:

3A) "Maroon" with gold pin striping (as the B 250 had).
3B) "Black with Maroon decals" (the maroon decals are applied near the speed control knob, and at the lower left hand corner of the motor plate".
3C) "Black ONLY with pin striping present".
3D) "Black with NO pin striping".

4(A) Are there drip pans present under the governor, innermost spring barrel (found only on the earliest C 250's) AND: are they finished in "Maroon", or "Black”?

4(B) Does the top of the motor plate have a continuous flat surface, or is there a large concentric circular depression (located beneath the turntable) present? Please state "Flat" or "Circular".

4(C) Does the governor (located beneath the turntable) have "2 springs" or "3 springs"?

4(D) Which finish is on the reproducer, horn throat, and other hardware on the motor plate? “Gold plated”, or “Gun-metal” (AKA "antique bronze")?

5. Which "Official Laboratory Medallion" is present?

5A) "P-1" = Pentagonal flange with circular boss stating: “The $250 Diamond Disc Phonograph is the Official Laboratory Model Thos A Edison”
5B) "P-2" = Pentagonal flange with circular boss stating: “The C250 Diamond Disc Phonograph is the Official Laboratory Model Thos A Edison”
5C) "R-1" = Round emblem stating: “The Model 250 Diamond Disc Phonograph is the Official Laboratory Model Thos A Edison”
5D) "R-2" = Round emblem stating: “Diamond Disc Official Laboratory Model Thos A Edison”

6. Which form of record storage is present:

6A) 2 Drawers divided into 5-compartments.
6B) 2 Drawers divided by individual record "slots", each numbered 1-36.
6C) 2 Shelves divided by individual record "slots"; AND: Are the corresponding numbered strips for the shelves: 1-36 on both strips OR are they numbered 1-36 on the top strip and 37-72 on the bottom strip?

7. Cabinet Wood Type: "Mahogany" or "Oak"

8. Is an "Electric Automatic Stop" (AKA Duncan Stop) present on the motor plate? Yes/No

9. Please list any dealer tags or decals present anywhere on the cabinet: Name/Address, location on machine, etc.

10. Are there any original dated sales receipts/shipping documentation, etc. with the machine? (Dates are particularly noteworthy)

11. Is there Grille cloth present? AND: What is the Color?

12. Is the record storage door held open by a rod at the top, center, or the bottom of the cabinet door?

13. What is the "Cabinet Factory No." - (if present) as found on the sticker inside the horn compartment


Your participation and comments are truly appreciated.

Thank you all,
Fran
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"Even a blind squirrel finds a nut once in a while" - the unappreciative supervisor.


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 Post subject: Re: C250/C19 Database Survey - Updated 3/21/2018
PostPosted: Sun Apr 15, 2018 12:01 pm 
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1. What is the Model Designation? C 19

2. What is the Serial Number? SM-100567

3. Which finish does the motor plate have?: 3D

3A) "Maroon" with gold pin striping (as the B 250 had).
3B) "Black with Maroon decals" (the maroon decals are applied near the speed control knob, and at the lower left hand corner of the motor plate".
3C) "Black ONLY with pin striping present".
3D) "Black with NO pin striping".

4(A) Are there drip pans present under the governor, innermost spring barrel (found only on the earliest C 250's) AND: are they finished in "Maroon", or "Black”? No

4(B) Does the top of the motor plate have a continuous flat surface, or is there a large concentric circular depression (located beneath the turntable) present? Please state "Flat" or "Circular". ?

4(C) Does the governor (located beneath the turntable) have "2 springs" or "3 springs"? ?

4(D) Which finish is on the reproducer, horn throat, and other hardware on the motor plate? “Gold plated”, or “Gun-metal” (AKA "antique bronze")? Gun-metal

5. Which "Official Laboratory Medallion" is present? 5D

5A) "P-1" = Pentagonal flange with circular boss stating: “The $250 Diamond Disc Phonograph is the Official Laboratory Model Thos A Edison”
5B) "P-2" = Pentagonal flange with circular boss stating: “The C250 Diamond Disc Phonograph is the Official Laboratory Model Thos A Edison”
5C) "R-1" = Round emblem stating: “The Model 250 Diamond Disc Phonograph is the Official Laboratory Model Thos A Edison”
5D) "R-2" = Round emblem stating: “Diamond Disc Official Laboratory Model Thos A Edison”

6. Which form of record storage is present: 6C both shelves numbered 1-36

6A) 2 Drawers divided into 5-compartments.
6B) 2 Drawers divided by individual record "slots", each numbered 1-36.
6C) 2 Shelves divided by individual record "slots"; AND: Are the corresponding numbered strips for the shelves: 1-36 on both strips OR are they numbered 1-36 on the top strip and 37-72 on the bottom strip?

7. Cabinet Wood Type: Mahogany

8. Is an "Electric Automatic Stop" (AKA Duncan Stop) present on the motor plate? No

9. Please list any dealer tags or decals present anywhere on the cabinet: Name/Address, location on machine, etc. None

10. Are there any original dated sales receipts/shipping documentation, etc. with the machine? (Dates are particularly noteworthy) No

11. Is there Grille cloth present? AND: What is the Color? Yes, Gray

12. Is the record storage door held open by a rod at the top, center, or the bottom of the cabinet door? Top

13. What is the "Cabinet Factory No." - (if present) as found on the sticker inside the horn compartment none

I am doing this by memory as the phonograph is covered in plastic while workmen are painting. I will verify some of these and update if I spoke incorrectly. Good work on the database Fran.


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 Post subject: Re: C250/C19 Database Survey - Updated 3/21/2018
PostPosted: Sun Apr 15, 2018 12:12 pm 
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Thank you very much for the kind words, and welcome to the forum! What a great way to kick-off this "new" data collection thread.

I'll enter your C 19 into my spreadsheet, and when you check back, I'll amend your entry as needed.

Best,
Fran
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 Post subject: Re: C250/C19 Database Survey - Updated 3/21/2018
PostPosted: Tue Apr 17, 2018 8:17 pm 
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1. What is the Model Designation? C 19

2. What is the Serial Number? "SM-113623"

3. Which finish does the motor plate have? 3D

3A) "Maroon" with gold pin striping (as the B 250 had).
3B) "Black with Maroon decals" (the maroon decals are applied near the speed control knob, and at the lower left hand corner of the motor plate".
3C) "Black ONLY with pin striping present".
3D) "Black with NO pin striping".

4(A) Are there drip pans present under the governor, innermost spring barrel (found only on the earliest C 250's) AND: are they finished in "Maroon", or "Black”? There are none

4(B) Does the top of the motor plate have a continuous flat surface, or is there a large concentric circular depression (located beneath the turntable) present? Please state "Flat" or "Circular". Circular

4(C) Does the governor (located beneath the turntable) have "2 springs" or "3 springs"? 2 springs

4(D) Which finish is on the reproducer, horn throat, and other hardware on the motor plate? “Gold plated”, or “Gun-metal” (AKA "antique bronze")? Gold Plated

5. Which "Official Laboratory Medallion" is present? 5D

5A) "P-1" = Pentagonal flange with circular boss stating: “The $250 Diamond Disc Phonograph is the Official Laboratory Model Thos A Edison”
5B) "P-2" = Pentagonal flange with circular boss stating: “The C250 Diamond Disc Phonograph is the Official Laboratory Model Thos A Edison”
5C) "R-1" = Round emblem stating: “The Model 250 Diamond Disc Phonograph is the Official Laboratory Model Thos A Edison”
5D) "R-2" = Round emblem stating: “Diamond Disc Official Laboratory Model Thos A Edison”

6. Which form of record storage is present: 6C 1-36 on both shelves

6A) 2 Drawers divided into 5-compartments.
6B) 2 Drawers divided by individual record "slots", each numbered 1-36.
6C) 2 Shelves divided by individual record "slots"; AND: Are the corresponding numbered strips for the shelves: 1-36 on both strips OR are they numbered 1-36 on the top strip and 37-72 on the bottom strip?

7. Cabinet Wood Type: "Mahogany" or "Oak" Mahogany

8. Is an "Electric Automatic Stop" (AKA Duncan Stop) present on the motor plate? Yes/No NO

9. Please list any dealer tags or decals present anywhere on the cabinet: Name/Address, location on machine, etc. Dealer Tag Butler's Marion's Musical Center

10. Are there any original dated sales receipts/shipping documentation, etc. with the machine? (Dates are particularly noteworthy) None Available

11. Is there Grille cloth present? AND: What is the Color? There was, it was Gold

12. Is the record storage door held open by a rod at the top, center, or the bottom of the cabinet door? Center

13. What is the "Cabinet Factory No." - (if present) as found on the sticker inside the horn compartment #33


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 Post subject: Re: C250/C19 Database Survey - Updated 3/21/2018
PostPosted: Tue Apr 17, 2018 8:29 pm 
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Sorry I have 2 a C-19 and a C-250

1. What is the Model Designation? C 250

2. What is the Serial Number? "SM-61728"

3. Which finish does the motor plate have?: 3D

3A) "Maroon" with gold pin striping (as the B 250 had).
3B) "Black with Maroon decals" (the maroon decals are applied near the speed control knob, and at the lower left hand corner of the motor plate".
3C) "Black ONLY with pin striping present".
3D) "Black with NO pin striping".

4(A) Are there drip pans present under the governor, innermost spring barrel (found only on the earliest C 250's) AND: are they finished in "Maroon", or "Black”? None Present

4(B) Does the top of the motor plate have a continuous flat surface, or is there a large concentric circular depression (located beneath the turntable) present? Please state "Flat" or "Circular". Circular

4(C) Does the governor (located beneath the turntable) have "2 springs" or "3 springs"? 2 Springs

4(D) Which finish is on the reproducer, horn throat, and other hardware on the motor plate? “Gold plated”, or “Gun-metal” (AKA "antique bronze")? Gold Plated

5. Which "Official Laboratory Medallion" is present? 5C

5A) "P-1" = Pentagonal flange with circular boss stating: “The $250 Diamond Disc Phonograph is the Official Laboratory Model Thos A Edison”
5B) "P-2" = Pentagonal flange with circular boss stating: “The C250 Diamond Disc Phonograph is the Official Laboratory Model Thos A Edison”
5C) "R-1" = Round emblem stating: “The Model 250 Diamond Disc Phonograph is the Official Laboratory Model Thos A Edison”
5D) "R-2" = Round emblem stating: “Diamond Disc Official Laboratory Model Thos A Edison”

6. Which form of record storage is present: 6A

6A) 2 Drawers divided into 5-compartments.
6B) 2 Drawers divided by individual record "slots", each numbered 1-36.
6C) 2 Shelves divided by individual record "slots"; AND: Are the corresponding numbered strips for the shelves: 1-36 on both strips OR are they numbered 1-36 on the top strip and 37-72 on the bottom strip?

7. Cabinet Wood Type: "Mahogany" or "Oak" Mahogany

8. Is an "Electric Automatic Stop" (AKA Duncan Stop) present on the motor plate? Yes/No NO

9. Please list any dealer tags or decals present anywhere on the cabinet: Name/Address, location on machine, etc. None Available

10. Are there any original dated sales receipts/shipping documentation, etc. with the machine? (Dates are particularly noteworthy) None Available

11. Is there Grille cloth present? AND: What is the Color? None Present

12. Is the record storage door held open by a rod at the top, center, or the bottom of the cabinet door? Bottom

13. What is the "Cabinet Factory No." - (if present) as found on the sticker inside the horn compartment #19

Your participation and comments are truly appreciated.


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 Post subject: Re: C250/C19 Database Survey - Updated 3/21/2018
PostPosted: Wed Apr 18, 2018 7:30 am 
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Thank you, CMac1974, and welcome to the Talking Machine Forum!

I've added your information to my spreadsheet.

Best regards,
Fran
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