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Hi folks,

My original "C250/C19 database survey" post had grown to the point in which I had made several significant alterations to my original questionnaire questions, so I've decided to do this 2nd, UPDATED post, to reflect my current needs.

I will continue to update my spreadsheet to reflect new entries, as before.

The "old" page can be found here: http://forum.talkingmachine.info/viewto ... =2&t=16837

Those of you who have already submitted your information in the past, you don't need to do it again, the original post has not been deleted, but moving forward, all new participants should submit their information here.


The following are particular features that I am observing on the Edison C250/C19 Chippendale Phonographs, please number your responses accordingly.

1. What is the Model Designation? "C 250" or "C 19"

2. What is the Serial Number? "SM-??????"

3. Which finish does the motor plate have?:

3A) "Maroon" with gold pin striping (as the B 250 had).
3B) "Black with Maroon decals" (the maroon decals are applied near the speed control knob, and at the lower left hand corner of the motor plate".
3C) "Black ONLY with pin striping present".
3D) "Black with NO pin striping".

4(A) Are there drip pans present under the governor, innermost spring barrel (found only on the earliest C 250's) AND: are they finished in "Maroon", or "Black”?

4(B) Does the top of the motor plate have a continuous flat surface, or is there a large concentric circular depression (located beneath the turntable) present? Please state "Flat" or "Circular".

4(C) Does the governor (located beneath the turntable) have "2 springs" or "3 springs"?

4(D) Which finish is on the reproducer, horn throat, and other hardware on the motor plate? “Gold plated”, or “Gun-metal” (AKA "antique bronze")?

5. Which "Official Laboratory Medallion" is present?

5A) "P-1" = Pentagonal flange with circular boss stating: “The $250 Diamond Disc Phonograph is the Official Laboratory Model Thos A Edison”
5B) "P-2" = Pentagonal flange with circular boss stating: “The C250 Diamond Disc Phonograph is the Official Laboratory Model Thos A Edison”
5C) "R-1" = Round emblem stating: “The Model 250 Diamond Disc Phonograph is the Official Laboratory Model Thos A Edison”
5D) "R-2" = Round emblem stating: “Diamond Disc Official Laboratory Model Thos A Edison”

6. Which form of record storage is present:

6A) 2 Drawers divided into 5-compartments.
6B) 2 Drawers divided by individual record "slots", each numbered 1-36.
6C) 2 Shelves divided by individual record "slots"; AND: Are the corresponding numbered strips for the shelves: 1-36 on both strips OR are they numbered 1-36 on the top strip and 37-72 on the bottom strip?

7. Cabinet Wood Type: "Mahogany" or "Oak"

8. Is an "Electric Automatic Stop" (AKA Duncan Stop) present on the motor plate? Yes/No

9. Please list any dealer tags or decals present anywhere on the cabinet: Name/Address, location on machine, etc.

10. Are there any original dated sales receipts/shipping documentation, etc. with the machine? (Dates are particularly noteworthy)

11. Is there Grille cloth present? AND: What is the Color?

12. Is the record storage door held open by a rod at the top, center, or the bottom of the cabinet door?

13. What is the "Cabinet Factory No." - (if present) as found on the sticker inside the horn compartment

Your participation and comments are truly appreciated.

Thank you all,
Fran

1. What is the Model Designation? C 19

2. What is the Serial Number? SM-100567

3. Which finish does the motor plate have?: 3D

3A) "Maroon" with gold pin striping (as the B 250 had).
3B) "Black with Maroon decals" (the maroon decals are applied near the speed control knob, and at the lower left hand corner of the motor plate".
3C) "Black ONLY with pin striping present".
3D) "Black with NO pin striping".

4(A) Are there drip pans present under the governor, innermost spring barrel (found only on the earliest C 250's) AND: are they finished in "Maroon", or "Black”? No

4(B) Does the top of the motor plate have a continuous flat surface, or is there a large concentric circular depression (located beneath the turntable) present? Please state "Flat" or "Circular". ?

4(C) Does the governor (located beneath the turntable) have "2 springs" or "3 springs"? ?

4(D) Which finish is on the reproducer, horn throat, and other hardware on the motor plate? “Gold plated”, or “Gun-metal” (AKA "antique bronze")? Gun-metal

5. Which "Official Laboratory Medallion" is present? 5D

5A) "P-1" = Pentagonal flange with circular boss stating: “The $250 Diamond Disc Phonograph is the Official Laboratory Model Thos A Edison”
5B) "P-2" = Pentagonal flange with circular boss stating: “The C250 Diamond Disc Phonograph is the Official Laboratory Model Thos A Edison”
5C) "R-1" = Round emblem stating: “The Model 250 Diamond Disc Phonograph is the Official Laboratory Model Thos A Edison”
5D) "R-2" = Round emblem stating: “Diamond Disc Official Laboratory Model Thos A Edison”

6. Which form of record storage is present: 6C both shelves numbered 1-36

6A) 2 Drawers divided into 5-compartments.
6B) 2 Drawers divided by individual record "slots", each numbered 1-36.
6C) 2 Shelves divided by individual record "slots"; AND: Are the corresponding numbered strips for the shelves: 1-36 on both strips OR are they numbered 1-36 on the top strip and 37-72 on the bottom strip?

7. Cabinet Wood Type: Mahogany

8. Is an "Electric Automatic Stop" (AKA Duncan Stop) present on the motor plate? No

9. Please list any dealer tags or decals present anywhere on the cabinet: Name/Address, location on machine, etc. None

10. Are there any original dated sales receipts/shipping documentation, etc. with the machine? (Dates are particularly noteworthy) No

11. Is there Grille cloth present? AND: What is the Color? Yes, Gray

12. Is the record storage door held open by a rod at the top, center, or the bottom of the cabinet door? Top

13. What is the "Cabinet Factory No." - (if present) as found on the sticker inside the horn compartment none

I am doing this by memory as the phonograph is covered in plastic while workmen are painting. I will verify some of these and update if I spoke incorrectly. Good work on the database Fran.

Thank you very much for the kind words, and welcome to the forum! What a great way to kick-off this "new" data collection thread.

I'll enter your C 19 into my spreadsheet, and when you check back, I'll amend your entry as needed.

Best,
Fran

1. What is the Model Designation? C 19

2. What is the Serial Number? "SM-113623"

3. Which finish does the motor plate have? 3D

3A) "Maroon" with gold pin striping (as the B 250 had).
3B) "Black with Maroon decals" (the maroon decals are applied near the speed control knob, and at the lower left hand corner of the motor plate".
3C) "Black ONLY with pin striping present".
3D) "Black with NO pin striping".

4(A) Are there drip pans present under the governor, innermost spring barrel (found only on the earliest C 250's) AND: are they finished in "Maroon", or "Black”? There are none

4(B) Does the top of the motor plate have a continuous flat surface, or is there a large concentric circular depression (located beneath the turntable) present? Please state "Flat" or "Circular". Circular

4(C) Does the governor (located beneath the turntable) have "2 springs" or "3 springs"? 2 springs

4(D) Which finish is on the reproducer, horn throat, and other hardware on the motor plate? “Gold plated”, or “Gun-metal” (AKA "antique bronze")? Gold Plated

5. Which "Official Laboratory Medallion" is present? 5D

5A) "P-1" = Pentagonal flange with circular boss stating: “The $250 Diamond Disc Phonograph is the Official Laboratory Model Thos A Edison”
5B) "P-2" = Pentagonal flange with circular boss stating: “The C250 Diamond Disc Phonograph is the Official Laboratory Model Thos A Edison”
5C) "R-1" = Round emblem stating: “The Model 250 Diamond Disc Phonograph is the Official Laboratory Model Thos A Edison”
5D) "R-2" = Round emblem stating: “Diamond Disc Official Laboratory Model Thos A Edison”

6. Which form of record storage is present: 6C 1-36 on both shelves

6A) 2 Drawers divided into 5-compartments.
6B) 2 Drawers divided by individual record "slots", each numbered 1-36.
6C) 2 Shelves divided by individual record "slots"; AND: Are the corresponding numbered strips for the shelves: 1-36 on both strips OR are they numbered 1-36 on the top strip and 37-72 on the bottom strip?

7. Cabinet Wood Type: "Mahogany" or "Oak" Mahogany

8. Is an "Electric Automatic Stop" (AKA Duncan Stop) present on the motor plate? Yes/No NO

9. Please list any dealer tags or decals present anywhere on the cabinet: Name/Address, location on machine, etc. Dealer Tag Butler's Marion's Musical Center

10. Are there any original dated sales receipts/shipping documentation, etc. with the machine? (Dates are particularly noteworthy) None Available

11. Is there Grille cloth present? AND: What is the Color? There was, it was Gold

12. Is the record storage door held open by a rod at the top, center, or the bottom of the cabinet door? Center

13. What is the "Cabinet Factory No." - (if present) as found on the sticker inside the horn compartment #33

Sorry I have 2 a C-19 and a C-250

1. What is the Model Designation? C 250

2. What is the Serial Number? "SM-61728"

3. Which finish does the motor plate have?: 3D

3A) "Maroon" with gold pin striping (as the B 250 had).
3B) "Black with Maroon decals" (the maroon decals are applied near the speed control knob, and at the lower left hand corner of the motor plate".
3C) "Black ONLY with pin striping present".
3D) "Black with NO pin striping".

4(A) Are there drip pans present under the governor, innermost spring barrel (found only on the earliest C 250's) AND: are they finished in "Maroon", or "Black”? None Present

4(B) Does the top of the motor plate have a continuous flat surface, or is there a large concentric circular depression (located beneath the turntable) present? Please state "Flat" or "Circular". Circular

4(C) Does the governor (located beneath the turntable) have "2 springs" or "3 springs"? 2 Springs

4(D) Which finish is on the reproducer, horn throat, and other hardware on the motor plate? “Gold plated”, or “Gun-metal” (AKA "antique bronze")? Gold Plated

5. Which "Official Laboratory Medallion" is present? 5C

5A) "P-1" = Pentagonal flange with circular boss stating: “The $250 Diamond Disc Phonograph is the Official Laboratory Model Thos A Edison”
5B) "P-2" = Pentagonal flange with circular boss stating: “The C250 Diamond Disc Phonograph is the Official Laboratory Model Thos A Edison”
5C) "R-1" = Round emblem stating: “The Model 250 Diamond Disc Phonograph is the Official Laboratory Model Thos A Edison”
5D) "R-2" = Round emblem stating: “Diamond Disc Official Laboratory Model Thos A Edison”

6. Which form of record storage is present: 6A

6A) 2 Drawers divided into 5-compartments.
6B) 2 Drawers divided by individual record "slots", each numbered 1-36.
6C) 2 Shelves divided by individual record "slots"; AND: Are the corresponding numbered strips for the shelves: 1-36 on both strips OR are they numbered 1-36 on the top strip and 37-72 on the bottom strip?

7. Cabinet Wood Type: "Mahogany" or "Oak" Mahogany

8. Is an "Electric Automatic Stop" (AKA Duncan Stop) present on the motor plate? Yes/No NO

9. Please list any dealer tags or decals present anywhere on the cabinet: Name/Address, location on machine, etc. None Available

10. Are there any original dated sales receipts/shipping documentation, etc. with the machine? (Dates are particularly noteworthy) None Available

11. Is there Grille cloth present? AND: What is the Color? None Present

12. Is the record storage door held open by a rod at the top, center, or the bottom of the cabinet door? Bottom

13. What is the "Cabinet Factory No." - (if present) as found on the sticker inside the horn compartment #19

Your participation and comments are truly appreciated.

Thank you, CMac1974, and welcome to the Talking Machine Forum!

I've added your information to my spreadsheet.

Best regards,
Fran

1. What is the Model Designation? C250

2. What is the Serial Number? SM-51899

3. Which finish does the motor plate have?: 3D) Black with NO pin striping.

4(A) No drip pan

4(B) Flat

4(C) 2 springs

4(D) Gold plated

5. Official Laboratory Medallion is R-1 Round emblem stating: “The Model 250 Diamond Disc Phonograph the Official Laboratory Model Thos A Edison”

6. 6A) 2 Drawers divided into 5-compartments.

7. Cabinet Wood Type: Oak

8. Is an "Electric Automatic Stop" (AKA Duncan Stop) present on the motor plate? Yes

9. No store tags

10. No stickers

11. Is there Grille cloth present? AND: What is the Color? Yes, Gold/Brown

12. Door rods are at Bottom

13. Cabinet Factory No.18

Karl Schill
Palmyra, Pa
kschill55@gmail.com

kschill55 wrote:1. What is the Model Designation? C250

2. What is the Serial Number? SM-51899

3. Which finish does the motor plate have?: 3D) Black with NO pin striping.

4(A) No drip pan

4(B) Flat

4(C) 2 springs

4(D) Gun-metal

5. Official Laboratory Medallion is R-1 Round emblem stating: “The Model 250 Diamond Disc Phonograph the Official Laboratory Model Thos A Edison”

6. 6A) 2 Drawers divided into 5-compartments.

7. Cabinet Wood Type: Oak

8. Is an "Electric Automatic Stop" (AKA Duncan Stop) present on the motor plate? Yes

9. No store tags

10. No stickers

11. Is there Grille cloth present? AND: What is the Color? Yes, Gold/Brown

12. Door rods are at Bottom

13. Cabinet Factory No.18

Karl Schill
Palmyra, Pa
kschill55@gmail.com

Thank you for your entry, Karl. I see you're relatively new to the forum - let me be the first to welcome you in and encourage you to visit often - don't be shy!

I do however have one question, re. Q4: are you sure the finish is "gunmetal"? It should be all gold plated hardware on a Chippendale of this vintage. Is it perhaps only the reproducer that's gun-metal finished? It's not uncommon for reproducers to be swapped out over time.

Happy Holidays,
Fran

1. What is the Model Designation? C250

2. What is the Serial Number? "SM-19865

3. Which finish does the motor plate have?:

3C) "Black ONLY with pin striping present".


4(A) Are there drip pans present under the governor NO

4(B) Does the top of the motor plate have a continuous flat surface FLAT

4(C) Does the governor (located beneath the turntable) have "2 springs" 2

4(D) Which finish is on the reproducer, horn throat, and other hardware on the motor plate? “Gold plated”,

5. Which "Official Laboratory Medallion" is present?


5B) "P-2" = Pentagonal flange with circular boss stating: “The C250 Diamond Disc Phonograph is the Official Laboratory Model Thos A Edison”


6. Which form of record storage is present:

6A) 2 Drawers divided into 5-compartments.


7. Cabinet Wood Type: "Mahogany"

8. Is an "Electric Automatic Stop" (AKA Duncan Stop) present on the motor plate? Yes/No NO

9. Please list any dealer tags or decals present anywhere on the cabinet: Name/Address, location on machine, etc. From 1012 Grand KANSAS CITY

10. Are there any original dated sales receipts/shipping documentation, etc. with the machine? (Dates are particularly noteworthy) NO

11. Is there Grille cloth present? AND: What is the Color? Not original

12. Is the record storage door held open by a rod at the top, center, or the bottom of the cabinet door? Bottom

13. What is the "Cabinet Factory No." - (if present) as found on the sticker inside the horn compartment no sticker

Your participation and comments are truly a

Bcaste1 wrote:1. What is the Model Designation? C250

2. What is the Serial Number? "SM-19865

3. Which finish does the motor plate have?:

3C) "Black ONLY with pin striping present".


4(A) Are there drip pans present under the governor NO

4(B) Does the top of the motor plate have a continuous flat surface FLAT

4(C) Does the governor (located beneath the turntable) have "2 springs" 2

4(D) Which finish is on the reproducer, horn throat, and other hardware on the motor plate? “Gold plated”,

5. Which "Official Laboratory Medallion" is present?


5B) "P-2" = Pentagonal flange with circular boss stating: “The C250 Diamond Disc Phonograph is the Official Laboratory Model Thos A Edison”


6. Which form of record storage is present:

6A) 2 Drawers divided into 5-compartments.


7. Cabinet Wood Type: "Mahogany"

8. Is an "Electric Automatic Stop" (AKA Duncan Stop) present on the motor plate? Yes/No NO

9. Please list any dealer tags or decals present anywhere on the cabinet: Name/Address, location on machine, etc. From 1012 Grand KANSAS CITY

10. Are there any original dated sales receipts/shipping documentation, etc. with the machine? (Dates are particularly noteworthy) NO

11. Is there Grille cloth present? AND: What is the Color? Not original

12. Is the record storage door held open by a rod at the top, center, or the bottom of the cabinet door? Bottom

13. What is the "Cabinet Factory No." - (if present) as found on the sticker inside the horn compartment no sticker

Your participation and comments are truly a

Thank you! Nice Chippendale, and I see you have a set of the hard to find record file dividers, congratulations.

Best,
Fran