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DGPros wrote:It is one single piece of laminate. I know this isn't where I post this but if anyone is interested I'm selling it for $200 w/70 records. pm me. Thanks

Thanks Gary - GLWTS, too.

Fran

1. What is the Model Designation? "C 19"

2. What is the Serial Number? "SM-101474

3. Which finish does the motor plate have?:
3D) "Black with NO pin striping".

4(A) Are there drip pans present under the governor, innermost spring barrel (found only on the earliest C 250's) AND: are they finished in "Maroon", or "Black”? No

4(B) Does the top of the motor plate have a continuous flat surface, or is there a large concentric circular depression (located beneath the turntable) present? "Circular".

4(C) Does the governor (located beneath the turntable) have "2 springs"

4(D) Which finish is on the reproducer, horn throat, and other hardware on the motor plate? “Gold plated”, or “Gun-metal” (AKA "antique bronze")? Nickel reproducer (clearly a later replacement), otherwise gold plated

5. Which "Official Laboratory Medallion" is present?
5D) "R-2" = Round emblem stating: “Diamond Disc Official Laboratory Model Thos A Edison”

6. Which form of record storage is present:

Cabinet was flooded and original storage is not present, but appears to have been 2 shelves.

7. Cabinet Wood Type: "Mahogany"

8. Is an "Electric Automatic Stop" (AKA Duncan Stop) present on the motor plate? No

9. Please list any dealer tags or decals present anywhere on the cabinet: Name/Address, location on machine, etc. None

10. Are there any original dated sales receipts/shipping documentation, etc. with the machine? (Dates are particularly noteworthy) None, but there is an original "Instructions for setup" brochure for the C 250 et al.

11. Is there Grille cloth present? AND: What is the Color? Yes, but it is clearly a replacement

12. Is the record storage door held open by a rod at the top, center, or the bottom of the cabinet door?
Rod is missing, but screw hole evidence indicates the center.

13. What is the "Cabinet Factory No." - (if present) as found on the sticker inside the horn compartment 19

52089 wrote:1. What is the Model Designation? "C 19"

2. What is the Serial Number? "SM-101474

3. Which finish does the motor plate have?:
3D) "Black with NO pin striping".

4(A) Are there drip pans present under the governor, innermost spring barrel (found only on the earliest C 250's) AND: are they finished in "Maroon", or "Black”? No

4(B) Does the top of the motor plate have a continuous flat surface, or is there a large concentric circular depression (located beneath the turntable) present? "Circular".

4(C) Does the governor (located beneath the turntable) have "2 springs"

4(D) Which finish is on the reproducer, horn throat, and other hardware on the motor plate? “Gold plated”, or “Gun-metal” (AKA "antique bronze")? Nickel reproducer (clearly a later replacement), otherwise gold plated

5. Which "Official Laboratory Medallion" is present?
5D) "R-2" = Round emblem stating: “Diamond Disc Official Laboratory Model Thos A Edison”

6. Which form of record storage is present:

Cabinet was flooded and original storage is not present, but appears to have been 2 shelves.

7. Cabinet Wood Type: "Mahogany"

8. Is an "Electric Automatic Stop" (AKA Duncan Stop) present on the motor plate? No

9. Please list any dealer tags or decals present anywhere on the cabinet: Name/Address, location on machine, etc. None

10. Are there any original dated sales receipts/shipping documentation, etc. with the machine? (Dates are particularly noteworthy) None, but there is an original "Instructions for setup" brochure for the C 250 et al.

11. Is there Grille cloth present? AND: What is the Color? Yes, but it is clearly a replacement

12. Is the record storage door held open by a rod at the top, center, or the bottom of the cabinet door?
Rod is missing, but screw hole evidence indicates the center.

13. What is the "Cabinet Factory No." - (if present) as found on the sticker inside the horn compartment 19

Thank you, sir! It's nice to see some activity to this thread still happening.

Cheers,
Fran

1) C-19
2) SM-159710
3) 3D Black no pinstripping
4a) N/A
4b) Circular
4c) 2 Springs
4d) Gun-Metal
5) D R2
6) C 2 shelves 1-36 both strips
7) Walnut
8) Yes
9) None
10) No
11) Yes, Red (not original)
12) Center
13) 3161

Davidahead wrote: ↑Sat Feb 27, 2021 11:28 pm 1) C-19
2) SM-159710
3) 3D Black no pinstripping
4a) N/A
4b) Circular
4c) 2 Springs
4d) Gun-Metal
5) D R2
6) C 2 shelves 1-36 both strips
7) Walnut
8) Yes
9) None
10) No
11) Yes, Red (not original)
12) Center
13) 3161

Thank you very much for your contribution. Your walnut C 19 is beautiful, and truly special!

BTW, welcome to the forum! We're happy to have you.

Best regards,
Fran

This C-19, serial no. 108250, is up for "buy it now" sale on eBay, asking price $799. Someone has done some very strange "restoration" work on the cabinet. The listing is here:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Antique-Edison ... SwLf9gd08t

drh wrote: ↑Sun Apr 18, 2021 1:59 am This C-19, serial no. 108250, is up for "buy it now" sale on eBay, asking price $799. Someone has done some very strange "restoration" work on the cabinet. The listing is here:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Antique-Edison ... SwLf9gd08t

Thanks Dave, I saw that on one of the Facebook groups. Ugh! I saved the info nonetheless.

Cheers,
Fran

fran604g wrote: ↑Sun Apr 18, 2021 6:32 am

drh wrote: ↑Sun Apr 18, 2021 1:59 am This C-19, serial no. 108250, is up for "buy it now" sale on eBay, asking price $799. Someone has done some very strange "restoration" work on the cabinet. The listing is here:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Antique-Edison ... SwLf9gd08t

Thanks Dave, I saw that on one of the Facebook groups. Ugh! I saved the info nonetheless.
Cheers,
Fran

I think it goes beyond mere restoration work. If you look at the top portions of the two cabinets, there are considerable differences (as I noted in an ignored previous post on the other thread) -- In order to accomplish this, the "restorer" would have had to have replaced the entire top portion of the cabinet. I'm thinking this may have been a special order, or custom cabinet.

OrthoFan

I had a C19 which the frieze had just fallen off in many spots. I'm sure that, coupled with the corner pieces that also tend to come loose and go missing accounts for the surface being plain.

Close inspection of the door exhibits missing finish around where the "embellishments" were attached.

Best,
Fran

fran604g wrote: ↑Sun Apr 18, 2021 1:27 pm I had a C19 which the frieze had just fallen off in many spots. I'm sure that, coupled with the corner pieces that also tend to come loose and go missing accounts for the surface being plain.
Close inspection of the door exhibits missing finish around where the "embellishments" were attached.
Best,
Fran

Thanks for explaining that. I didn't know that the corner posts, etc., had a tendency to detach.
OrthoFan