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 Post subject: Check out this wild thing
PostPosted: Mon Jan 18, 2010 1:31 pm 
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I don't usually post duplicates on the two boards I mainly participate in, but have received no responses so far on an item I'd like others to have a look at and see what they think I have here.

http://victrolagramophones.proboards.co ... thread=834

Please have a look and tell me if you've seen anything like this. I was really surprised to see if sitting there in my little local auction but thought it was worth grabbing.

Tell me what ya think

Thanks! Steve


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PostPosted: Mon Jan 18, 2010 2:16 pm 
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Steve,

Brian is the Pathé' afcionado, however, Pathé' did import the phono works to the US and cabinets that more fit the North American buying public were made locally, assembled, and sold here. This could be such a beast, even from Europe.
Why do we need signatures when we are on a first avatar basis?


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PostPosted: Mon Jan 18, 2010 3:19 pm 
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Brad, check the last picture, w/ the dealers tag. It looks like it is from Brussels, Belgium. I'm guessing that this came over on a shipment from either the UK or elsewhere in Europe. This is an auction I attend regularly and containers from UK are common. I've seen so many oak dropleaf tables and giant-sized armoires in the last 7 years it's hard to believe. Usually any phonographs come from loads they get from PA or NJ and it's a bunch of beat up junkers.

I just haven't seen any Pathé machines like this although my experience is mainly what I've seen in books. Also, the lack of a decal made me wonder. However, it definitely is old and I think all the rest of the hardware is what one might find on a Pathé. I'll get into the motor when I return from my trip to FL next week and see if that provides any clues.

Thanks for taking a look-


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 Post subject: Re: Check out this wild thing
PostPosted: Mon Jan 18, 2010 5:32 pm 
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Great find Steve.
For some reason, that model looks very familiar to me. I seem to remember the same metal decorations, but so far I've been unable to find where I saw it.
There's a few French/European collectors on youtube that have various Pathé models, so I wonder if it might be worth contacting a couple of them to see what they know about this model??


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PostPosted: Mon Jan 18, 2010 5:35 pm 
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I think the dealer made up a custom case using Pathé elements- if Pathé had built this they would have definitely marked it, they weren't shy. The case looks like very good quality work.


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PostPosted: Mon Jan 18, 2010 6:18 pm 
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I've seen a few pre-1915 table models that lack a Pathé decal (from the etched label era).
One thing that doesn't look "French" Pathé to me is the brake.
All the French models I've seen have the brake & speed control on the side of the cabinet. This appears to have a Thorens brake & turntable, so it will be interesting to see what motor is in it.
Pathé had a pressing plant in Brusells, so I wonder if they were producing their own range of machines as well, not using conventional French parts.


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PostPosted: Mon Jan 18, 2010 7:20 pm 
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Very nice find!


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 Post subject: Re: Check out this wild thing
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Thanks for the comments. GShane, I too wondered about the brake. I wonder if in fact this is an early machine, w/o a decal, maybe they used a different brake? I found a pic last evening, dang, can't remember where, of a Pathé machine with this brake. I'll review and see if I can find it.

It's such a weird beast, maybe the comment about a "craftsman" machine may be correct?? Keep on thinking and see if anyone can find one like it somewhere...

It was just so off the wall that I couldn't resist.

Steve


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 Post subject: Re: Check out this wild thing
PostPosted: Mon Jan 18, 2010 9:55 pm 
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I was also thinking it could be an early Pathe- perhaps before they started manufacturing their own motors.
Is the speed control located on the side of the machine?
I haven't had a chance to go through the pics in my computer & on disc yet, but I'll do that sometime today.


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Correct, the speed control is on the right about 3" in front of the winding crank. It has a slotted crank.


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