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 Post subject: Berliner Model JT
PostPosted: Sun Apr 15, 2018 11:11 am 
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I have a Canadian Berliner model JT with wooden horn. I was wondering if this has a corresponding Victor model, or if that's not the way it was done. I can't find this model online and the Canadian Phonograph Museum has no information. It looks similar to a Victor, but without the fluted "columns" in each corner of the base. They are chamfered though.The horn is 21" diameter and the base of the machine is 15 ¾" square. Thanks very much for any input. James


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 Post subject: Re: Berliner Model JT
PostPosted: Sun Apr 15, 2018 4:10 pm 
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I've got both kinds of music--classical & rag-time.
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A very beautiful machine! The escutcheon is different than anything I ever saw.

Perhaps contact the Johnson Victrola Museum?


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 Post subject: Re: Berliner Model JT
PostPosted: Sun Apr 15, 2018 4:58 pm 
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Beautiful machine! The dimensions of the case lie between a Victor IV and a Victor V, probably closer to the V. A comparison of the motors could further narrow down the closest Victor cousin. Maybe you could post some pictures of the motor?

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Andreas


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 Post subject: Re: Berliner Model JT
PostPosted: Sun Apr 15, 2018 6:15 pm 
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Thank you very much for the replies gentlemen, I really appreciate your input. I have added a photo of the motor. That isn't paint...the mounts are a bronze-like metal. Also a photo of the label found under the machine. Could you tell me if there was indeed some connection between Victor and Berliner Montreal or am I searching in vain for an equivalent model. James


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 Post subject: Re: Berliner Model JT
PostPosted: Sun Apr 15, 2018 7:14 pm 
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That looks like an early motor, similar like in a Victor MS or maybe a Victor D? Victor and Berliner were definitely working together, even though there were some slight differences in the models. Later in the teens Victor manufactured machines for Berliner, but earlier the alignment was more loose I think.

Andreas


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 Post subject: Re: Berliner Model JT
PostPosted: Sun Apr 15, 2018 9:40 pm 
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Are you 100% certain that the horn is wood? From your photos, it really appears to be a paper mache horn with a wood grain finish. A far rarer horn than a wooden one.


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 Post subject: Re: Berliner Model JT
PostPosted: Sun Apr 15, 2018 9:53 pm 
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Thanks for the new input. Jerry, this is the first "wooden" horn gramophone I've owned. After your post I've taken a very close look at an edge nick and it would appear that you're correct, from the fibres going in random directions it looks to be a composite. I wasn't aware that they were made of anything but wood. I am lucky to have made connection with so many knowledgeable people, thank you again.


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 Post subject: Re: Berliner Model JT
PostPosted: Sun Apr 15, 2018 10:03 pm 
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You bet! That's probably the nicest condition paper mache horn I've even seen! Congratulations!


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