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 Post subject: Unusual Edison W250
PostPosted: Mon Apr 23, 2018 11:19 pm 
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I have had this Edison W250 for several years and never gave it a thought that the metal finish was unusual.
This machine has oxidized metal finish. It was also fitted with an automatic stop.I have searched the internet and have not found another W250 with this finish. Was this a special order? Anyone seen another one?


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 Post subject: Re: Unusual Edison W250
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I don't want to bring too much controversy to the post, but the finish on your W-250 doesn't very much resemble the "Oxidized" finish found on established A-150 images I have examined.

Images of a particularly nice A-150 example can be found at Valecnik's website here: http://www.phonographcompany.com/index.php?content=phonographs&manufacturer=2&detail=11

I've included one of his photos for illustrative purposes.
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Just to further support my statement, here is another image I have stored on my PC, of another such finish (an old eBAY listing):
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As you can see, your finish is very different from the actual Edison Co. applied finish, and in my humble opinion, it looks to me as if someone applied the finish themselves at some point in the history of your W-250.

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Fran
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 Post subject: Re: Unusual Edison W250
PostPosted: Tue Apr 24, 2018 9:14 am 
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No Problem Fran.That's why I posted it. What would you call this finish than? Here are a few more pics. Anyone seen one like this? I really don't think someone just applied this finish. If you look at more pictures of the Edison oxidized machines, you will see there are several different looking patterns etc.


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 Post subject: Re: Unusual Edison W250
PostPosted: Tue Apr 24, 2018 9:57 am 
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A few more. Interested to know what everyone thinks.


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 Post subject: Re: Unusual Edison W250
PostPosted: Tue Apr 24, 2018 10:09 am 
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Hi Phonogal,

I think that's pretty much standard finish for the W-250 hardware. Mine, (pictures on the below link) and others I've seen were are pretty much the same, although the contrast in yours seems to be a bit more pronounced. Later, they seemed to standardize for the W-19 with that "gun metal" finish that is often seen on councils, Edisonics, long plays, even the late C-19s.

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 Post subject: Re: Unusual Edison W250
PostPosted: Tue Apr 24, 2018 10:12 am 
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phonogal wrote:
No Problem Fran.That's why I posted it. What would you call this finish than? Here are a few more pics. Anyone seen one like this? I really don't think someone just applied this finish.

I honestly don't know.

The reproducer -- now that I can see it more clearly in your latest images -- looks as if it still retains some of what appears to be original "oxidised bronze" elements.

As for the horn throat, it looks to me as if the original gun-metal finish (referred by Edison literature as "Antique") up near the retaining ring (I circled the place in red, below) is still present. Maybe the horn elbow was damaged/scratched, and it was touched up by a previous owner? I just don't know.

As you can see the image I included of my C 19 #172,249, the original finish shows deterioration from scratches and fading. I wonder how durable this finish may (not) have been.

Hopefully others will chime in with their thoughts...

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Fran

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Mine, showing the alternating black/bronze finish that would have been original.:
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 Post subject: Re: Unusual Edison W250
PostPosted: Tue Apr 24, 2018 10:15 am 
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Valecnik wrote:
Hi Phonogal,

I think that's pretty much standard finish for the W-250 hardware. Mine, (pictures on the below link) and others I've seen were are pretty much the same, although the contrast in yours seems to be a bit more pronounced. Later, they seemed to standardize for the W-19 with that "gun metal" finish that is often seen on councils, Edisonics, long plays, even the late C-19s.

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=2609

I'm beginning to think that someone tried to match the finish of an earlier oxidized bronze reproducer to the later Antique finish horn throat.

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Fran
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 Post subject: Re: Unusual Edison W250
PostPosted: Tue Apr 24, 2018 10:29 am 
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I should add another thought:

I know the Antique (so-called gun-metal) finish wasn't introduced until 1922, so is it possible there was a preceding finish that may have been used earlier?

We know the A-150 was (reportedly - Frow) the only DD Phonograph that came with an oxidized bronze finish, correct?

Is it possible that some few other machines may have had some short-lived different version of the oxidized bronze finish?

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Fran
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 Post subject: Re: Unusual Edison W250
PostPosted: Tue Apr 24, 2018 10:33 am 
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fran604g wrote:
Valecnik wrote:
Hi Phonogal,

I think that's pretty much standard finish for the W-250 hardware. Mine, (pictures on the below link) and others I've seen were are pretty much the same, although the contrast in yours seems to be a bit more pronounced. Later, they seemed to standardize for the W-19 with that "gun metal" finish that is often seen on councils, Edisonics, long plays, even the late C-19s.

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=2609

I'm beginning to think that someone tried to match the finish of an earlier oxidized bronze reproducer to the later Antique finish horn throat.

Best,
Fran

The finish seems to be the same on all the metal pieces.


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 Post subject: Re: Unusual Edison W250
PostPosted: Tue Apr 24, 2018 10:50 am 
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My W-250 has the same finish as yours, Phonogal. It also has the Duncan stop like yours appears to. Unfortunately my machine has been in storage for a few years now because of space issues, but I sure do love it, mine also originally came from Massachusetts where it lived until I got it ten or so years ago. They're BIG machines for a floor model and imposing. I hope someday soon to be able to have mine back out on display, the grill and different metal finish really do make it stand out.

Sean


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