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PeterF wrote:Is the Antique finish on the hardware type i) or type ii)?

Thank you for asking for the clarification. I had not noticed this yet. I was just so happy that a member made an effort to respond with their information. I'm hoping that others will follow suit. Thank you for your help, it is greatly appreciated.

I updated this on the other post also. (ii)longitudinal

I sold my William and Mary in the March 2017 Donley Auction. I think the buyer said he was taking it to St. Louis. So I am answering the questions based on photos I still have. - Jim Nichol

1. W19
2. SM-16136
3. Round Medallion
4. I only have a partial photo, so I can only see the words "Diamond Disc"
5. Door and Vertical Index
6. Walnut
7. Beading below grill, not sure I see beading above legs in photos
8. Cabinet lock
9. Don't know
10. Nickel Dance reproducer, looks like gun metal with yellow highlights elsewhere
11. No
12. Don't see a dealer tag
13. No
14. Dark yellow, very old, tattered and stained, may not be original

Thank you Gary and Jim.

This is an empty cabinet. No hardware except door knob and lid lift. I still thought enough info could be culled to include here. Oh and if anyone needs a cabinet and or pieces let me know.


1. Model Designation: W-19

2. Serial Number:9180

3. "Official Laboratory" Medallion: Round

4. Exact Wording of the Medallion: The model 250 Diamond disc Phonograph is the official laboratory Model ThosAEdison

5. Record Storage: Drawer Vertical Index?

6. Cabinet Wood Type: Walnut

7. Cabinet Beading above the legs and below the grill? Y

8. Cabinet lock? Y

9. What is the "Cabinet Factory No." - (if present) as found on the sticker inside the horn compartment none

10. Which finish is on the reproducer, horn throat and other hardware? This was found as an empty cabinet. No hardware except lid latch.


b) Edison "Antique" (silvery grey with yellowish highlights, sometimes called "gunmetal")
ii) "Antique" with highlights that are longitudinal stripes and/or edges


11. Duncan Stop?: Y/N

12. Dealer Tag: None

13. Original Dated Sales Receipt/Shipping Documentation, etc.: None

14. Grille cloth? None

I'm interested in selling mine should there be interest. Answers are as follows:

1. W19
2. 9823
3. Round
4. The Model 250 Diamond Disk is the Official Laboratory Model (w/full signature)
5. Doo and Vertical Index
6. Mahogany
7. N
8. Y
9. not present
10. b-Edison "Antique"
11. N
12. not present
13. not present
14. not present

Found one.

W19
16913
Round
Diamon Disc official laboratory model. Thos A Edison
Vertical
Mahogany
Beading?
Yes Lock
Cab Fact. 22
Antique......long lines
No Duncan Stop
No dealer tag
No sales slip
Pale green raised pattern (barkcloth) Stapled on.....unknown if original?

This was purchased today from a man in Jensen Beach, FLorida. He told me he got it from an estate sale, in Michigan, Aug. 2018. Until then, the unit was in one family since it was new. The pictures show a standard reproducer, I do have the original (Edisonic?) that has the same pattern as the horn throat.

Got this a while ago. A good friend visited family up in Ithaca NY and spotted this being wheeled onto the floor of the local Salvation Army store on a cart. When he texted me a pic and wondered if I was interested, I responded something like "grab it!". My friend's brother tried to wrangle a better deal for me when he pointed out their sign that indicated that "all furniture is half off". But the manager was having none of that. She replied that this Edison wasn't "furniture" it was "electronics". No amount of dialogue was going to budge her, so they paid up, loaded it up, and left. I haven't done anything to it yet, not even cleaned it....

Model designation: W-250

Serial Number: SM-912

"Official Laboratory Model" medallion: round

Exact wording on it:
"The Model 250 Diamond Disc is the Official Laboratory Model. Thos. A. Edison"

Record storage: Drawer with 5 removable wood slats, cheapy wood replacement knob on the front.

Cabinet wood: Walnut

Cabinet Beading below the speaker

Cabinet Lock for lid only (no key -- yet)

Cabinet factory No. 21

Hardware finish on horn throat, reproducer, etc: Edison Antique
type ii---striped effect, see photos, grey overall with brass contrasting bands

Duncan stop? Yes

Dealer tag? None

Original receipt/paperwork? None

Original grille cloth? None, not so much as a thread, the back of the grille is surprisingly clean.

Addendum: As a kid and novice collector, one of my paper route customers told me that they had an Edison at the warehouse where he worked. It was one of these W&M uprights and I was quite enamored of it. This man was of a generation that remembered these machines as new, expensive and top-shelf equipment. He wasn't about to let some 12 year old kid get into it and just tinker away (it had one broken main spring). So I never got it---- and where it ended up afterward, I never knew. Well, it took a bit over 50 years, but I finally got a great W&M upright to call my own. And---no broken main spring!

Thanks all. Will add them to the list.

Let's see if I can do this properly. Neil
1. w-19
2. SN 10560
3. Round
4. The Model 250 Diamond Disc Phonograph is the Official Laboratory Model Thos A Edison
5. vertical index
6. Red Mahogany
7. No beading
8. A lock on the lid? Yes
9. 22
10. B Edison Antique
11. No
12. From 229 So. Wabash Ave.
13. None
14. green cloth (not original from what I can see)