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 Post subject: Credenza Brake
PostPosted: Mon May 14, 2018 4:04 pm 
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I know I've seen this topic many times before, but a quick search didn't bring it up. My auto brake does not trip at the end of a record consistently (it only works sometimes). Also when the break does trip the platter keeps on spinning (like the brake pad is not making contact). Is my leather brake pad too short?

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 Post subject: Re: Credenza Brake
PostPosted: Mon May 14, 2018 4:08 pm 
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Automatic brakes only work on record that have an eccentric final groove. When the groove goes away from the spindle, it trips the brake.

Yes, the pad is probably too short. You may be able to pull the pad out a tiny amount with pliers. There are tips on the board for replacing the pad.


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 Post subject: Re: Credenza Brake
PostPosted: Mon May 14, 2018 6:50 pm 
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Thanks. About 99% of the records played do not trip the brake. Even the ones with the final groove.


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 Post subject: Re: Credenza Brake
PostPosted: Mon May 14, 2018 9:45 pm 
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I'm pretty sure you're missing a spring. It would go from the vertical tab on the gold lever, to the tab on the brake arm, just behind the leather pad.


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 Post subject: Re: Credenza Brake
PostPosted: Tue May 15, 2018 5:21 am 
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Get some 3/16" leather treadle sewing machine belting material on eBay ($5-) and you will have enough leather brakes for years. Once you get the hang of it (bending the prongs sideways is always a pain but you get used to it. Insert a new bit of leather, rebend) you'll want to do all of your machines. I make the brake leather fairly long, say ¼" from making contact with the turntable when in playing position. It really does help, sounds better, stops much more reliably.

As for the auto brake, I checked mine but it's a different style, so I doubt this will help much. In my humble opinion, these Victor brakes are a bad design, what with the common "clicking" complaint and how it sometimes trips on out of round records. Happy tweaking!


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 Post subject: Re: Credenza Brake
PostPosted: Tue May 15, 2018 8:40 am 
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Thanks for that info. I have always just bought "victrola brake pads" on ebay that were being sold for that purpose. I did not know you could simply buy larger amounts of sewing machine belt for cheaper, great!


Does anyone have a pic of the this style of credenza brake assembly?


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 Post subject: Re: Credenza Brake
PostPosted: Tue May 15, 2018 9:53 am 
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Jwb88 wrote:
Get some 3/16" leather treadle sewing machine belting material on eBay ($5-) and you will have enough leather brakes for years. Once you get the hang of it (bending the prongs sideways is always a pain but you get used to it. Insert a new bit of leather, rebend) you'll want to do all of your machines. I make the brake leather fairly long, say ¼" from making contact with the turntable when in playing position. It really does help, sounds better, stops much more reliably.

As for the auto brake, I checked mine but it's a different style, so I doubt this will help much. In my humble opinion, these Victor brakes are a bad design, what with the common "clicking" complaint and how it sometimes trips on out of round records. Happy tweaking!


Your opinion is mirrored by mine, I love Ortho units but do not care for the audible clicks during play, and their brakes are a hassle to repair! Interestingly, JVC and HMV both used auto start-stop combo brakes on their cheapie machines that would trip at the end of any record with a lead-out groove (didn't even have to be eccentric cut) and it was totally silent during play. I wonder why Victor never put those (superior) brakes on their machines?


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 Post subject: Re: Credenza Brake
PostPosted: Tue May 15, 2018 12:36 pm 
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Jwb88 wrote:
Get some 3/16" leather treadle sewing machine belting material on eBay ($5-) and you will have enough leather brakes for years. Once you get the hang of it (bending the prongs sideways is always a pain but you get used to it. Insert a new bit of leather, rebend) you'll want to do all of your machines. I make the brake leather fairly long, say ¼" from making contact with the turntable when in playing position. It really does help, sounds better, stops much more reliably.

As for the auto brake, I checked mine but it's a different style, so I doubt this will help much. In my humble opinion, these Victor brakes are a bad design, what with the common "clicking" complaint and how it sometimes trips on out of round records. Happy tweaking!


I am probably in the minority but I love that familiar Victor click..just as the surface noise is sort of a "breathing sound" part of the experience!


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 Post subject: Re: Credenza Brake
PostPosted: Tue May 15, 2018 12:53 pm 
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victor 15-1 wrote:
Jwb88 wrote:
Get some 3/16" leather treadle sewing machine belting material on eBay ($5-) and you will have enough leather brakes for years. Once you get the hang of it (bending the prongs sideways is always a pain but you get used to it. Insert a new bit of leather, rebend) you'll want to do all of your machines. I make the brake leather fairly long, say ¼" from making contact with the turntable when in playing position. It really does help, sounds better, stops much more reliably.

As for the auto brake, I checked mine but it's a different style, so I doubt this will help much. In my humble opinion, these Victor brakes are a bad design, what with the common "clicking" complaint and how it sometimes trips on out of round records. Happy tweaking!


I am probably in the minority but I love that familiar Victor click..just as the surface noise is sort of a "breathing sound" part of the experience!


You can also grease the teeth which will greatly reduce the clicking noise
Brandon


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 Post subject: Re: Credenza Brake
PostPosted: Wed May 16, 2018 11:31 am 
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Here's a pic of the brake on our Cred. It appears to be less complex and does not have the ratchet that yours has. Cheers, Russie


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