VE 10-70 Changer Question & other Type-1 changer comparisons

[Victrola-Monkey]

I have six Type-1 changers lined up ready for dissembly, soaking , and cleaning. Two are for two of my complete VE 9-55s, one for a VE 10-70 and the other 3 are spare VE 10-50 changers. As I had indicated in an earlier very detailed posting of the comparisons of the three different styles of the VE 10-50 that used two different style Changers, I again point out the 3 main differences between the Early and Late VE 10-50 changers. The Late style has attachment points A, B, and C and the Early style doesn’t.

The VE 10-70 and the VE 9-55 models typically have electronic components attached to points A and B. However,
I have a VE 10-70 with the accordion type of component attached a point C. Has anyone seen this before and does anyone know what this is for?

Thanks for any input.

[barnettrp21122]

That's very interesting that a pneumatic bellows would be attached to an otherwise-electric mechanism. It looks like an aftermarket add-on. Is there a nipple somewhere on it where a rubber tube would attach? Operation would be very slow, so any air pressure generated by its closure would be small, I'd think.
Maybe it was attached to some sort of counter?
Bob

[Victrola-Monkey]

Bob,

I believe you are right on. There is a hole where a nipple fitting would have been and certainly air blows out when the bellow is compressed. Does anyone know of an after market pneumatic counter ever seen on a phonograph?

If this is an after market bellow, then was the attachment point C designed for it or something else? The answer to this question may never be known.

-Wayne

[PeterF]

These guys know about Bellows.

[gramophone-georg]

I'm wondering if it's a damper of some sort.

[EarlH]

Wayne, it's to operated the "cancel" on a coin operated mechanism. They probably used an accumulator from a coin operated piano, and those used a suction impulse at the end of the cycle to cancel the play. It will snap when the cam lets it go after the record goes through the eject cycle. It's pretty clever really, but on my 10-70 it's all done with electricity. That way you can operate the machine from a number of wallboxes.

[electrolaman 64]

So Wayne here is what the rest of the coin counter looks like that would have been in the back somewhere. This one was in a 10-50 junker I picked up earlier this year.

[Victrola-Monkey]

Thanks Earl and Carlton for the info and pictures. That is one sweet junker VE 10-50 to have that Wurlitzer coin-op setup in it.

By the way, I have the 6 changers, apart, cleaned, and oiled down. Now to do the same with the motors.

[EarlH]

They must have been pulling that stuff out of junked out coin operated pianos and re-using them in these machines. Those accumulators and coin boxes are 10-15 years older than those 10-50's are. And it would make sense that the route guys junking out those pianos in the late 20's would come up with a way to turn 10-50's and 10-70's into coin operated machines. My 10-70 has an accumulator like Coinola used and it is all electric. It's a real nuisance to operate the thing that way, so I just use it has a "home" machine. I honestly don't like the part about having 110 volts running to the wallbox. The U.L. people in those days had much lower standards on safety than we do today!

[Victrola-Monkey]

I did not mention in my initial post what electronic components attach to points A and B. The Reject Coil attaches to point A (which adds an electronic button ability to reject the record in addition to the mechanical button) and the Pickup Cut-off Switch attaches to point B.

In the photos below note that the VE 10-70, 9-55. and 10-51 changers use a different Reject Lever than the VE 10-50 does. Also note that the Early style VE 10-50 changer uses a Taper Tube Return Lever has a slightly different shape to the end of one arm than the same lever on the Late style VE 10-50 and the VE 10-70, 9-55, and 10-51. This is interesting because this difference is independent of the fact that both VE 10-50 Victrola styles use a tone arm that is an inch longer than the VE 10-70, 9-55, and 10-51 Electrolas.

The link below details other differences of just the VE 10-50 Victrola styles:

http://forum.talkingmachine.info/viewto ... =2&t=35926

The last photo shows all six changers completely cleaned, oiled/wiped-down, reassembled, oiled again, and greased. Before I install the two VE 9-55 and VE 10-70 changers, I’m going to make new exact lengths motor wiring harnesses using the proper 16 gauge green, red, black, and brown cloth covered wires. I feel the original motor wire harnesses are just to fragile for long term reliability. The other wire harnesses are fine. I am waiting for the wire rolls to arrive but I will post photos of the harnesses when complete.