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 Post subject: Victor MS vs. Victor D
PostPosted: Fri Apr 26, 2019 7:22 pm 
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Aside from case size -- I believe the D is just a little bit larger? -- what are the differences between a rear-mount Victor MS and a Victor D? They sure look alike to me, at least in photos. Is one generally considered more desirable than the other?


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 Post subject: Re: Victor MS vs. Victor D
PostPosted: Sat Apr 27, 2019 2:48 am 
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The only real difference is another spring in the D plus a slightly larger horn. They share the same sound box, tone arm, and elbow. In my opinion the fancy case D is a click more expensive than the MS. If condition were equal, I would prefer and value a MS over the plain case D (Victor V style). It's nothing but my opinion but I really like the proportions of the MS. Jerry Blais


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 Post subject: Re: Victor MS vs. Victor D
PostPosted: Sat Apr 27, 2019 3:58 am 
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The things Jerry mentioned, another spring in the D plus a slightly larger horn plus 12 inch platter are the only differences I can think of and of course for those of whom size matters, the D can accommodate that humungus "L" size brass bell horn. The early D seems a bit rarer than the MS.


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 Post subject: Re: Victor MS vs. Victor D
PostPosted: Sat Apr 27, 2019 9:30 am 
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The Victor MS I worked on had the early three spring motor. Does the Victor D really have one more spring (four) as the later Victor V only has three as far as I know? The springs in the MS seem narrower though, maybe 1” vs 1 ¼” in later machines. Is maybe that the difference? Always curious. I’d love to own an MS or fancy case D....

Andreas


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 Post subject: Re: Victor MS vs. Victor D
PostPosted: Sat Apr 27, 2019 9:52 am 
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I have two Victor Monarch Specials and one fancy Victor D and all have 3-spring motors. The MS has a smaller cabinet than the D and a 10" turntable versus 12" for the D. The speed control on my D has the primitive heavy bent wire whereas my MS's have a conventional thumbscrew speed control. I'm sure there are many other differences as well.


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 Post subject: Re: Victor MS vs. Victor D
PostPosted: Sat Apr 27, 2019 12:14 pm 
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Perhaps I am wrong about the number of springs. If so, the D must have larger barrels with bigger springs giving it more duration. I'm in Spain so it's hard for my to check my basement. Jerry B.


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 Post subject: Re: Victor MS vs. Victor D
PostPosted: Sat Apr 27, 2019 12:32 pm 
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Jerry B. wrote:
Perhaps I am wrong about the number of springs. If so, the D must have larger barrels with bigger springs giving it more duration. I'm in Spain so it's hard for my to check my basement. Jerry B.


I have a similar problem. My Victors MS & D are a few thousand miles away. However acc. to the trusty Victor Data book, the MS indeed has a three spring bevel drive motor switching to the double spring spiral in 1905 about the same time as the case design change and evolution into the Victor IV.

Also luckily I have a couple pics of the MS and the D. Cannot tell for sure if they are exactly the same but the designs are certainly very similar. :monkey:


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