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 Post subject: worn diamond stylus?
PostPosted: Fri May 10, 2019 7:22 am 
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I've been wondering if the stylus in my Amberola 30 is maybe a bit worn, I've never quite been able to tell if it's sitting in the groove right, I don't have another to compare it to, it may be time for a new stylus

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 Post subject: Re: worn diamond stylus?
PostPosted: Fri May 10, 2019 8:24 am 
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If you are hearing "echoing" when playing cylinders, it's time for a new stylus. If you are not hearing echoing and not seeing any damage to records, you're probably fine.


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 Post subject: Re: worn diamond stylus?
PostPosted: Fri May 10, 2019 8:27 am 
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Your stylus should have a nice smooth rounded tip.

It looks flat in your photo to me, suggesting it's chipped.

And yes to what Brian said above.

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Fran
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 Post subject: Re: worn diamond stylus?
PostPosted: Fri May 10, 2019 9:07 am 
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For posterity, I'm adding pics of my Diamond B #A8911 with a good stylus (first 2 images), that is presumedly original to my Amberola D-X #16297 (Note the nice smooth rounded polished tip), and my Diamond B #55667 which has a chipped stylus (last 2 images) that came with my recently acquired Amberola V #3491 (Note the flat tip).

Sorry I don't have provisions for higher res images, these were taken with my Sony Alpha A230 and a reverse lens macro set up under fluorescent lighting, and fill-in flash.

Best regards,
Fran

Diamond B #A8911
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 Post subject: Re: worn diamond stylus?
PostPosted: Fri May 10, 2019 9:19 am 
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I found that an old original stylus which didn't leave any lines in the run off or in the grooves still could have an effect on the overall sound quality. The crisp clear sound of a perfect stylus when new is degraded some just though normal wear and tear on the diamond. It is sort of like a steel needle which is starting to wear, the sound just seems fuzzy or off a bit. So long as you get a good quality new stylus it won't hurt any and I would bet there would be a difference in the sound quality.


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 Post subject: Re: worn diamond stylus?
PostPosted: Fri May 10, 2019 9:52 am 
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Thanks, I managed to get some better pictures, but it's still hard to tell, if it's not too expensive maybe a new stylus is a worthwhile investment

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 Post subject: Re: worn diamond stylus?
PostPosted: Fri May 10, 2019 12:06 pm 
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kirtley2012 wrote:
Thanks, I managed to get some better pictures, but it's still hard to tell, if it's not too expensive maybe a new stylus is a worthwhile investment

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It still looks flat to me. Sorry to say. If you value any of your BA's, you shouldn't use it any longer.

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Fran
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 Post subject: Re: worn diamond stylus?
PostPosted: Fri May 10, 2019 3:32 pm 
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fran604g wrote:
kirtley2012 wrote:
Thanks, I managed to get some better pictures, but it's still hard to tell, if it's not too expensive maybe a new stylus is a worthwhile investment

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It still looks flat to me. Sorry to say. If you value any of your BA's, you shouldn't use it any longer.

Best,
Fran


Glad I found out before I play my favourite polk Miller records much longer, where can I find a new diamond stylus?


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 Post subject: Re: worn diamond stylus?
PostPosted: Fri May 10, 2019 4:26 pm 
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kirtley2012 wrote:
fran604g wrote:
kirtley2012 wrote:
Thanks, I managed to get some better pictures, but it's still hard to tell, if it's not too expensive maybe a new stylus is a worthwhile investment

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It still looks flat to me. Sorry to say. If you value any of your BA's, you shouldn't use it any longer.

Best,
Fran


Glad I found out before I play my favourite polk Miller records much longer, where can I find a new diamond stylus?

I know Wyatt Markus (MicaMonster) rebuilds these. If it were me, I'd contact him first and get his opinion.

Cheers,
Fran
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"Even a blind squirrel finds a nut once in a while" - the unappreciative supervisor.


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 Post subject: Re: worn diamond stylus?
PostPosted: Fri May 10, 2019 11:56 pm 
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"If you are hearing "echoing" when playing cylinders, it's time for a new stylus."

Not necessarily. I have found quite a few Diamond Stylus Reproducers in the past that if the Adjustment Screw up top is tightened too tight that the lower part of the Reproducer is frozen and has no "Horizontal" movement... that it will also produce echoing....just like a worn stylus. If the reproducer has good lower "Horizontal" movement and it still produces echoing, then "Yes", The Stylus is surely shot.

...But ALWAYS check the lower "Horizontal" movement first. If the lower part of the Reproducer can move side to side, then you should be good if the STYLUS is still good.

You can usually tell by a good visual look through a Jewler's loupe also.

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Tony K.

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