Edison machine?

[epigramophone]

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[epigramophone]

Why did schoolhouse models need lids when they were external horn designs?

To keep the kids out of course! Why else would the lid have a lock?

[MisterGramophone]

Why did schoolhouse models need lids when they were external horn designs?

To keep the kids out of course! Why else would the lid have a lock?

But, how would the horn even close?

[epigramophone]

Look and learn :

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[MisterGramophone]

Look and learn :

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Nice, it looks like a disc version of the opera phonograph

[Liamhamb30]

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Nice, it looks like a disc version of the opera phonograph

This machine has no relation to the Edison Opera, the Victor Talking Machine Company was a separate entity that was incorporated in 1901. They produced disc phonographs from the start, the Edison Phonograph Division did not produce discs until 1912 and the Victor Schoolhouse was introduced in spring of 1913.

[MisterGramophone]

Look and learn :

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Nice, it looks like a disc version of the opera phonograph

This machine has no relation to the Edison Opera, the Victor Talking Machine Company was a separate entity that was incorporated in 1901. They produced disc phonographs from the start, the Edison Phonograph Division did not produce discs until 1912 and the Victor Schoolhouse was introduced in spring of 1913.

I know it isn’t related, I just feel like the Victor schoolhouse horn was definitely a copy of the opera horn.

[Liamhamb30]

The smooth style wood horns on Victor machines far predate the Opera. That's explicitly stated in informative books such as Look for the Dog and the Victor Data Book by Robert Baumbach. I suggest you read them, it'd benefit you greatly.

[OrthoFan]

Nice, it looks like a disc version of the opera phonograph

This machine has no relation to the Edison Opera, the Victor Talking Machine Company was a separate entity that was incorporated in 1901. They produced disc phonographs from the start, the Edison Phonograph Division did not produce discs until 1912 and the Victor Schoolhouse was introduced in spring of 1913.

I know it isn’t related, I just feel like the Victor schoolhouse horn was definitely a copy of the opera horn.

The smooth style wood horns on Victor machines far predate the Opera. That's explicitly stated in informative books such as Look for the Dog and the Victor Data Book by Robert Baumbach. I suggest you read them, it'd benefit you greatly.

Liamhamb30 is "spot on." (Love those British expressions!)

The horn installed on the Edison Opera Phonograph was a cygnet style horn, while Victor's horn was more of a modification to the flower horn, or Morning Glory style horn. As noted, Victor offered wooden horns (for their more deluxe models) prior to the time Edison put the Opera model on the market in 1911.

The "Schoolhouse" Victrola ( http://www.victor-victrola.com/XXV.htm ), itself, was introduced in 1913 as an "open sided" cabinet model--albeit equipped with a detachable outside horn. It differed greatly from the elegantly styled Edison Opera, which was a table top phonograph--as a Google Image search comparing the two shows.

In competition with the Schoolhouse Victrola, Edison offered a schoolhouse cylinder playing phonograph described & illustrated here--

https://victrolagramophones.proboards.c ... phonograph

--which was far more utilitarian, and frankly more practical than the VTM's design, since it could be wheeled from classroom to classroom, and allowed for the storage of records.

OrthoFan

[howardpgh]

Would the open horn machine pictured been a "Proof of Concept" type model? Just made up to show that the Diamond Discs would play.