The Talking Machine Forum — For All Antique Phonographs & Recordings

It is currently Tue Feb 19, 2019 7:02 am

All times are UTC - 5 hours [ DST ]




Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 4 posts ] 
Author Message
 Post subject: The perils of recording some records over.
PostPosted: Sun Feb 10, 2019 4:38 pm 
Offline
Victor IV
Joined: Wed Jan 07, 2009 8:44 pm
Posts: 1470
For starters I knew that the original videos I had put up weren't quite as exciting sounding as in the room. I found after way too many records that the setting on the camera wasn't the best frequency response. I have done quite a few over already. But here is the deal. Some of the older recordings sound almost better to me due perhaps to the restricted range. With the camera at full response some records I think are great, but others I am finding aren't taking well to the new setting. I redid the electrical record by Schmitz of the Nocturne in F Sharp Major by Chopin. The first attempt which is currently still up I did with the mute full open. I am using the Edisonic Head for these as well, that may not be helping on some records. The sound of the record is far more reverberant. In fact I had to close the mute completely to deaden that extra loud sort of hollow sound. I know I have read where the Edisonic Head wasn't always great with the earlier records, and all the first sessions were made with the standard head. Problem now is that all three of my standard heads the Bruce Diamonds finally worn out and now were having issues getting them again. I could pull the pin and use the standard head for the recordings but it seems to me that in most instances the latter design pulls more detail from the records. Perhaps I am too picky but it may be that some records simply sounded better with less frequency response? Does that make sense to any one that has recorded their machines here? I did a Vernon Dalhart record today and it was again too strident at the instrumental lead in. I cut the volume by nearly two thirds, it calmed the sound but damped it perhaps more than some would like. Just when I thought I had a project worth pursuing I find myself having to make a lot of decisions I didn't expect.

One after thought here as well. The first sets of records were all recorded from directly in front of the horn. This time I am slightly off the center. I am wondering if that maximum, (or sweet spot), of the sound is missing from these recordings could be lessening the "weight" of the records some. I thought with the amount of sound being produced and being able to pick it up better was creating a full scope of the sound, but perhaps not? I may have to try and see what difference I would get going back to the previous position.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: The perils of recording some records over.
PostPosted: Sun Feb 10, 2019 11:59 pm 
Offline
Victor III
User avatar
Say to yourself I am so happy hurray!
Joined: Tue May 12, 2015 12:50 pm
Posts: 618
Location: Brookfield, Illinois
Larry, it's really great that you take the time and effort to produce better audio for your videos. The last new ones I heard sounded outstanding. You might try software to tweak the frequency range to you liking. I know Adobe makes a great sound editor, but it comes with a steep learning curve. I'm not sure it will make a difference once it's uploaded to You Tube. Good luck with your project and have fun. :)
"You can't take the phonographs nor the money with you, but the contentment the phonographs bring may well make your life better, and happier lives make the world a better place."


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: The perils of recording some records over.
PostPosted: Tue Feb 12, 2019 6:08 pm 
Offline
Victor IV
Joined: Wed Jan 07, 2009 8:44 pm
Posts: 1470
Still learning here. I find that some records are very clear using the Edisonic reproducer while some others seemed to have played with less distortion tendencies using the standard head. I am using what under most circumstances is the most responsive sounding diaphragm. In the standard head it seemed to be less prone to issues. I am going to try with the original material in the Edisonic Head and see if that lessens the issue. My room is very reverberant which isn't helping the matter. Some records again are better in that situation while others seem overly driven. Luckily the most played types of records, Dance or Jazz play fine in most instances. I did have a few of the very late ones that seemed to be way too loud in recording.

When I read in the Frow Edison book I recall it saying that the acoustic records had some issues with the Edisonic reproducers. Has anyone found what exactly it might have caused with the sound out put. In a large setting like a very large basement room the Chippendale uses the Edisonic Head and I don't seem to hear the same issues. It may be the output is diffused by all the room it has to develop. I have provided quite a few of the True Tone diaphragms for people who used them in Edisonic Heads. So far I haven't had any feedback that they weren't pleased with the sound.. Part of that might be that with most diaphragms from other sources the sound levels were not as well defined, thus a happier customer. Trying to get things absolutely perfect is not easy.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: The perils of recording some records over.
PostPosted: Wed Feb 13, 2019 12:06 am 
Offline
Victor IV
Joined: Wed Jan 07, 2009 8:44 pm
Posts: 1470
I made a new record of Pango Pango Maid. I used the older usually softer type True Tone. But it seems in the Edisonic Head at least to be considerably more solid sounding to my ears, not such high frequency peaks. The good part I guess is that in the Standard Head this diaphragm gives it a boost sometimes it needs. Part of trouble is so many people always considering that louder is better. Even Waltrip knew that if you get too loud your going to have problems. I am putting them both up on a different thread here under, Pango Pango Maid comparisons. Would like feed back as to which you prefer. It almost seems like what some commented on at one point might be true. Some records take well to one design while another might do better with different one. I have them both ready now to put in as soon as I can add the new thread under Music.

Larry


Top
 Profile  
 
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 4 posts ] 

All times are UTC - 5 hours [ DST ]


Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 3 guests


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot post attachments in this forum

Search for:
Jump to:  
Powered by phpBB © 2000, 2002, 2005, 2007 phpBB Group
Americanized by Maël Soucaze.