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 Post subject: Caruso cylinders
PostPosted: Mon Jun 30, 2014 1:39 pm 
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Caruso cylinders ? I#m trying to find what cylinders were issued with Caruso on , http://cylinders.library.ucsb.edu/getty.php says there were three but doesn't list them , other sites mention them bi AICC but don't list the titles does an yone know the three ? i found this one had sold ! http://www.popsike.com/AICC-CYLINDER-RECORD-84006-ENRICO-CARUSO-QUI-SOTTO-IL-CIEL-GLI-UGONOTTI/171119628012.html


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 Post subject: Re: Caruso cylinders
PostPosted: Mon Jun 30, 2014 1:44 pm 
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See the bottom three items here: http://www.berlinphonographworks.com/ordering.html
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 Post subject: Re: Caruso cylinders
PostPosted: Mon Jun 30, 2014 9:55 pm 
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You might also find this of interest:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CfowkfRree4


Four pre-Victor, pre-Met, and therefore pre-1903 Carusos. Although the dating might be open to controversy, Everest Records, in the liner notes for its reissue on long-play disc 3382, gives the years 1900 and 1901 for these recordings, which are described as the very first that Caruso made; they include both songs and operatic arias.
Numbers 1 through 3 are AICC and Pathé cylinders and discs; 4 is a Zonofono [Zonophone] recording. Each is announced, a custom that cylinders, with no place for a label, necessitated, and was carried over into disc manufacture.
1) 'Tu Non Mi Vuoi Piu Ben', by F. Carbonetti & A. Pini-Corsi;
2) 'E lucevan le stelle', from Tosca, by Puccini;
3) 'Qui sotto it ciel', from Gli Ugonotti [Les Huguenots], by Meyerbeer;
4) 'Un Bacio Ancora', by Rocco Trimarchi.
The visual is Caruso, by Caruso. A caricaturist who enjoyed sketching his friends, Caruso here turned the pen on himself.


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 Post subject: Re: Caruso cylinders
PostPosted: Tue Jul 01, 2014 12:47 am 
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It's a vexed question. I take Bolig ("Caruso Records", Mainspring Press, 2002) as the authority I refer to. He believes the Milan G&T's were the first, with the Anglo Italian Commerce Company recording in 1903, and asserts that the Pathé's were dubbed from the AICC cylinders, if I recollect correctly. I have some ICC 78's that say the originate from cylinders.


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 Post subject: Re: Caruso cylinders
PostPosted: Tue Jul 01, 2014 4:38 am 
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This and the other Berlin Phono Works reissues are available for a listen on my youTube channel.

(Double-click the video above or click this link to watch the video on YouTube in HD.)



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 Post subject: Re: Caruso cylinders
PostPosted: Tue Jul 01, 2014 10:18 am 
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Nat wrote:
It's a vexed question. I take Bolig ("Caruso Records", Mainspring Press, 2002) as the authority I refer to. He believes the Milan G&T's were the first, with the Anglo Italian Commerce Company recording in 1903, and asserts that the Pathé's were dubbed from the AICC cylinders, if I recollect correctly. I have some ICC 78's that say the originate from cylinders.


I agree about Bolig, he certainly is the authority on Caruso. I had the pleasure of spending an afternoon in his presence a few years ago listening to and talking 78s and many things "Victor" in general. He's a really great guy.

I think the dubbed 78s from Pathé cylinders you may be thinking of are those on the "Collector's Record Shop" label. IRCC did reissue just one Caruso, but it was not a dub, it was a direct press from an unissued take of "O Soave Fanciulla" with Farrar. HMV Also reissued this same side later in the Mauve AGSB series along with many other Carusos in both this and the white label VA and VB "Archive" series.

Hope this helps a bit!

Sean


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 Post subject: Re: Caruso cylinders
PostPosted: Wed Jul 02, 2014 2:05 pm 
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The flip side of IRCC 61 is the 1904 G & T Pearl Fishers atia.

IRCC 36 had take 4 of the Rigoletto Quartet recorded Feb 13, 1912


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 Post subject: Re: Caruso cylinders
PostPosted: Wed Jul 02, 2014 2:33 pm 
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Wolfe wrote:
The flip side of IRCC 61 is the 1904 G & T Pearl Fishers atia.

IRCC 36 had take 4 of the Rigoletto Quartet recorded Feb 13, 1912


You're right, I'd forgotten about the Quartet!

Sean


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 Post subject: Re: Caruso cylinders
PostPosted: Thu May 24, 2018 4:34 pm 
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If anyone like to buy a Caruso cylinder ... here it is:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/302747550267

Here's also the link to the video:

https://youtu.be/-OcH0tV7JzE


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 Post subject: Re: Caruso cylinders
PostPosted: Thu May 24, 2018 4:46 pm 
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max_phenol wrote:
If anyone like to buy a Caruso cylinder ... here it is:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/302747550267

Here's also the link to the video:

https://youtu.be/-OcH0tV7JzE


WOW! That is a rarity. Thanks for sharing.

Andreas


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