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 Post subject: Re: Caruso cylinders
PostPosted: Thu May 24, 2018 6:19 pm 
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Victor II
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Yes, Caruso cylinders are very rare indeed.

But don't expect the sound quality to be any better than the disk versions Pathé also issued--since all pressings, whether on cylinder or disk, were acoustically dubbed from the master cylinders and thus are all dubs by definition--not pressed from original parts.

Still, a great find--especially with its original box in what appears to be in good condition--and very rare at that.

Good luck to all the bidders and thanks for the post!

Steven


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 Post subject: Re: Caruso cylinders
PostPosted: Thu May 24, 2018 6:55 pm 
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What would this sell for in the end ? I'm predicting $ 706.00.


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 Post subject: Re: Caruso cylinders
PostPosted: Thu May 24, 2018 6:58 pm 
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HisMastersVoice wrote:


Norman's site quoted above has been changed to:

https://www.phonoworks.com/

This is a listing of his current inventory. I have another Caruso cylinder , La Donna e Mobile, from him, that may have been retired and , which, I purchased on Ebay.


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 Post subject: Re: Caruso cylinders
PostPosted: Thu May 24, 2018 7:03 pm 
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billybob62 wrote:
HisMastersVoice wrote:


Norman's site quoted above has been changed to:

https://www.phonoworks.com/

This is a listing of his current inventory. I have another Caruso cylinder , La Donna e Mobile, from him, that may have been retired and , which, I purchased on Ebay.


Sung by Caruso? To the best of my knowledge he never recorded it on cylinder, so it must be a modern cylinder transcription from one of his three disk versions--the Zonophone, perhaps? I'd be interested to know :)

Steven


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 Post subject: Re: Caruso cylinders
PostPosted: Thu May 24, 2018 8:19 pm 
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Viva-voce wrote:
billybob62 wrote:
HisMastersVoice wrote:


Norman's site quoted above has been changed to:

https://www.phonoworks.com/

This is a listing of his current inventory. I have another Caruso cylinder , La Donna e Mobile, from him, that may have been retired and , which, I purchased on Ebay.


Sung by Caruso? To the best of my knowledge he never recorded it on cylinder, so it must be a modern cylinder transcription from one of his three disk versions--the Zonophone, perhaps? I'd be interested to know :)

Steven


I will search Norman's site to see if that is correct. Norman would know.


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 Post subject: Re: Caruso cylinders
PostPosted: Thu May 24, 2018 8:34 pm 
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I believe that is probably correct. Norman would know.[/quote]

Yes--come to think of it, that would make sense--as the Zonos were made under the auspices of AICC as were the three cylinder recordings


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 Post subject: Re: Caruso cylinders
PostPosted: Thu May 24, 2018 11:36 pm 
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Don't forget this version of a Caruso cylinder record:

viewtopic.php?f=3&t=34043


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 Post subject: Re: Caruso cylinders
PostPosted: Fri May 25, 2018 3:20 am 
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As I said earlier,Norman's site quoted above has been changed to:

https://www.phonoworks.com

This is a listing of his current Caruso inventory. I have E Lucevan and another of his Caruso cylinders , La Donna e Mobile, from him, that may have been retired and , which, I purchased on Ebay.

The descriptions, from Norman, indicate that they were recorded to cylinder.






[2-MINUTE]
BERLIN-84006: Gli Ugonotti - Qui sotto il ciel


Written by Giacomo Meyerbeer, this recording was the last of the three known issued cylinder titles which were all recorded at the very same day. According to the current research, this particular recordings seems to be a specially abridged version, just arranged for Caruso himself to sing it within the limited recording time of two minutes. Comes with certificate slip which also features the actual lyrics. Wine red cardboard box with special Caruso label in English and German. Please note: The new style cylinder may look slightly different to the photo above.





[2-MINUTE]
BERLIN-84003: Tu non mi vuoi più bene


This recording was the first of the three known issued cylinder titles, although they were all recorded at released at the same time. Unlike the other two songs, this particular one is quite different as it is not taken from an opera but was written as single love song, known as a stornello. You will also notice that the announcer leaves a pause between until the musical performance starts. The other recordings have an overlapped announcement that would function as a watermark against early piracy. The association to the Anglo-Italian Commerce Company had to be removed then with a few seconds of the music too, something nobody wanted to do, of course.
Comes with certificate slip which also features the lyrics of this greatly performed song. Wine red cardboard box with special Caruso label in English and German. Please note: The new style cylinder may look slightly different to the photo above.



Enrico Caruso Phonograph Cylinder
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BERLIN-84004: Tosca - E lucevan le stelle


This outstanding aria was composed by Giacomo Puccini. The recording made on cylinder in 1903 is one of Caruso's most sought-after selections. This cylinder record will provide you the marvelous ability of listening to a true Caruso cylinder recording from 1903 on your phonograph! It features an electric transfer made directly from the original wax cylinder, complete with it's original announcement by the Anglo-Italian Commerce Company. Comes with certificate slip which also features the lyrics of this stirring aria. Wine red cardboard box with special Caruso label in English and German.


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 Post subject: Re: Caruso cylinders
PostPosted: Fri May 25, 2018 5:33 am 
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I have a Pathé center-start record of Caruso singing E Lucevan le Stele, isn't it dubbed from the cylinder?


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 Post subject: Re: Caruso cylinders
PostPosted: Fri May 25, 2018 11:24 am 
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Here are the three recordings offered by Norman along with the narrative from the Phonoworks Germany site, (copied from Billybob's post.

(Double-click the video above or click this link to watch the video on YouTube in HD.)


[2-MINUTE]
BERLIN-84006: Gli Ugonotti - Qui sotto il ciel

Written by Giacomo Meyerbeer, this recording was the last of the three known issued cylinder titles which were all recorded at the very same day. According to the current research, this particular recordings seems to be a specially abridged version, just arranged for Caruso himself to sing it within the limited recording time of two minutes. Comes with certificate slip which also features the actual lyrics. Wine red cardboard box with special Caruso label in English and German. Please note: The new style cylinder may look slightly different to the photo above.

(Double-click the video above or click this link to watch the video on YouTube in HD.)


[2-MINUTE]
BERLIN-84003: Tu non mi vuoi più bene

This recording was the first of the three known issued cylinder titles, although they were all recorded at released at the same time. Unlike the other two songs, this particular one is quite different as it is not taken from an opera but was written as single love song, known as a stornello. You will also notice that the announcer leaves a pause between until the musical performance starts. The other recordings have an overlapped announcement that would function as a watermark against early piracy. The association to the Anglo-Italian Commerce Company had to be removed then with a few seconds of the music too, something nobody wanted to do, of course.
Comes with certificate slip which also features the lyrics of this greatly performed song. Wine red cardboard box with special Caruso label in English and German. Please note: The new style cylinder may look slightly different to the photo above.


(Double-click the video above or click this link to watch the video on YouTube in HD.)


Enrico Caruso Phonograph Cylinder
[2-MINUTE]
BERLIN-84004: Tosca - E lucevan le stelle

This outstanding aria was composed by Giacomo Puccini. The recording made on cylinder in 1903 is one of Caruso's most sought-after selections. This cylinder record will provide you the marvelous ability of listening to a true Caruso cylinder recording from 1903 on your phonograph! It features an electric transfer made directly from the original wax cylinder, complete with it's original announcement by the Anglo-Italian Commerce Company. Comes with certificate slip which also features the lyrics of this stirring aria. Wine red cardboard box with special Caruso label in English and German.


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