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 Post subject: Slightly O/T: A question concerning Drum Sets
PostPosted: Thu Jul 13, 2017 7:16 pm 
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Hey everyone,

This is slightly off topic, but I believe this is the closest related forum. I'm trying to write some ragtime music, but I'm unclear on what drums or cymbals (or auxiliary instruments) were used in Dixieland Jazz. Would any fellow music buffs be willing to help me out?

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 Post subject: Re: Slightly O/T: A question concerning Drum Sets
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Vernon Castle playing the drums in 1914.


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 Post subject: Re: Slightly O/T: A question concerning Drum Sets
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SOUSA, The March King, says:

"Your 'VICTOR' and 'MONARCH' Records are all right."


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 Post subject: Re: Slightly O/T: A question concerning Drum Sets
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Like the sheet music above, in the old days probably no more than a snare drum, bass drum, a chinese cymbal, maybe a woodblock, possibly a primitive sort of mounted tom tom. These days a ragtime group that incorporated drum would probably use a very standard 4 (or so) piece drumset.


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 Post subject: Re: Slightly O/T: A question concerning Drum Sets
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Wolfe wrote:
Like the sheet music above, in the old days probably no more than a snare drum, bass drum, a chinese cymbal, maybe a woodblock, possibly a primitive sort of mounted tom tom. These days a ragtime group that incorporated drum would probably use a very standard 4 (or so) piece drumset.


Here is a pretty typical 1920's drumset, the sort a dance band would have used- an earlier one would not have a hi-hat cymbal or suspended cymbals, they'd be on the drum: Vernon Castle has the large cymbal behind his head mostly to show off:

(Double-click the video above or click this link to go to the video on YouTube.)

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 Post subject: Re: Slightly O/T: A question concerning Drum Sets
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^ That's edging into a set resembling one you'd find in the 30's, before Gene Krupa stripped it down into the form we more or less know - sans effects, snare, mounted tom, mounted cymbals, bass tom, bass drum, hi-hat (or sock cymbal as it started out as, a pair of cymbals down by the floor and tapped with the foot.)

A Dixieland drummer doesn't really need anything that elaborate.


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 Post subject: Re: Slightly O/T: A question concerning Drum Sets
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Wolfe wrote:
^ That's edging into a set resembling one you'd find in the 30's, before Gene Krupa stripped it down into the form we more or less know - sans effects, snare, mounted tom, mounted cymbals, bass tom, bass drum, hi-hat (or sock cymbal as it started out as, a pair of cymbals down by the floor and tapped with the foot.)

A Dixieland drummer doesn't really need anything that elaborate.


Very true- though as in all things is isn't what you NEED as it is what you WANT.

but you're right- I think you could get away with something very close to what you'd find in a band.


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 Post subject: Re: Slightly O/T: A question concerning Drum Sets
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Wolfe wrote:
^ That's edging into a set resembling one you'd find in the 30's, before Gene Krupa stripped it down into the form we more or less know - sans effects, snare, mounted tom, mounted cymbals, bass tom, bass drum, hi-hat (or sock cymbal as it started out as, a pair of cymbals down by the floor and tapped with the foot.)

A Dixieland drummer doesn't really need anything that elaborate.



Indeed, I was thinking something simple. Thank you both for your help!
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 Post subject: Re: Slightly O/T: A question concerning Drum Sets
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There's a band in the Dallas area called The Singapore Slingers that plays 1895-1935 dance music. Their drummer uses a pretty simple set similar to the one above in the YouTube video. Works perfectly for them with the style music that they play and seems to be true to the form.


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 Post subject: Re: Slightly O/T: A question concerning Drum Sets
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^ I suspect most Dixieland players would opt to keep the action heavily centered around the snare drum.

This drummer here has quite the minimalist set up. :)

https://youtu.be/bvXQ6MBh_2s

If any drummer has experience playing the side drum in marching band, it's not too far to transpose right onto Dixieland, with a little more improvisation / willingness to improvise and swing the music some.


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