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 Post subject: Re: Mystery instrument on "Whispering" - Paul Whiteman acous
PostPosted: Thu Mar 02, 2017 12:32 pm 
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Interesting, I too had always assumed this was a saw. I stand corrected!


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 Post subject: Re: Mystery instrument on "Whispering" - Paul Whiteman acous
PostPosted: Thu Mar 02, 2017 2:56 pm 
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The slide whistle was used more commonly than one might expect and by some of the greats as well as in novelty groups. The great Louis Armstrong plays it on the recording of "Buddy's Habit(s)" by the King Oliver band ca. 1923. He also plays it on "Who' Sit" by his Hot Five, recorded in June of 1926.

You can see it being played in this Youtube video of "Buddy's Habit" by the Peruna Jazzmen.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zbFy5wkl4V0

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 Post subject: Re: Mystery instrument on "Whispering" - Paul Whiteman acous
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Somewhere I remember seeing a photograph of Armstrong with a slide trumpet, which is essentially a soprano trombone. But the player has to have a trained embouchure to play it, whereas the slide whistle merely requires that the player blow into the instrument. In either case, one needs a good ear to play in tune!


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 Post subject: Re: Mystery instrument on "Whispering" - Paul Whiteman acous
PostPosted: Tue Mar 07, 2017 12:51 pm 
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From a January 2012 Cicada Club broadcast, at about 5:10, in what is otherwise a decently period-correct version of Whispering--doesn't quite sound like what's in the original recording, though:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wm_qbcgvWVQ


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 Post subject: Re: Mystery instrument on "Whispering" - Paul Whiteman acous
PostPosted: Tue Mar 07, 2017 2:18 pm 
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Henry wrote:
Somewhere I remember seeing a photograph of Armstrong with a slide trumpet, which is essentially a soprano trombone. But the player has to have a trained embouchure to play it, whereas the slide whistle merely requires that the player blow into the instrument. In either case, one needs a good ear to play in tune!


It's the Creole Jazz Band photo, see:


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 Post subject: Re: Mystery instrument on "Whispering" - Paul Whiteman acous
PostPosted: Tue Mar 07, 2017 2:22 pm 
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Yep, that's the one---thanks, Carlos.

I'm not aware that Armstrong ever played the slide trumpet on a recording (or anywhere else, for that matter), however. If anyone knows otherwise, I'd like to hear about it.


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 Post subject: Re: Mystery instrument on "Whispering" - Paul Whiteman acous
PostPosted: Tue Mar 07, 2017 6:00 pm 
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Henry wrote:
I'm not aware that Armstrong ever played the slide trumpet on a recording (or anywhere else, for that matter), however. If anyone knows otherwise, I'd like to hear about it.


There is a recording of the Creole Jazz Band - Sobbin' Blues - in which someone plays what sounds like an ocarina or a slide whistle, certainly not anything that sounds like a trombone. The discographies claim that it is Armstrong who plays it. You can hear it on this link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ONDr4zau53c


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 Post subject: Re: Mystery instrument on "Whispering" - Paul Whiteman acous
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That'a a slide whistle, starting at 0:35 and ending at 1:00. Elsewhere Armstrong is playing second trumpet/cornet(?), his usual assignment in the KOCJB.


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 Post subject: Re: Mystery instrument on "Whispering" - Paul Whiteman acous
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Here's another enjoyable one for the slide whistle crowd, Tell Me Little Gypsy by Art Hickman's outfit : https://youtu.be/u9JaGxVlUn8


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 Post subject: Re: Mystery instrument on "Whispering" - Paul Whiteman acous
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Whatever the instrument turns out to be, I've found more of it.

Max Dolin's Orchestra uses one in its recording of Cielito Lindo / La Golondrina (Victor 19329, 11/22/1921).


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