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 Post subject: Please Go Rescue Some Brown Wax In Portland
PostPosted: Wed Mar 14, 2018 6:30 pm 
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Hopefully someone sees this in time before these cylinders are destroyed. I just found out about a box of brown wax cylinders with slips in the Monticello Antique Marketplace in Portland, Oregon. I have a photo of the pegged box leaning precariously against a wall, showing a number of cylinders already broken. As anyone who knows brown wax, any cylinder has the potential to be of historical importance. I just called the place and the "sales" person I spoke with was not particularly helpful and would not send me photos of the ones that appear to be intact. Price is 200 apparently. I guess they figure the more broken the cylinders the more "authentic and valuable." I am waiting to hear back from the dealer but I care more about seeing this stuff preserved than being first in line. I don't know which booth, so you will have to rely on the photo provided to me.


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 Post subject: Re: Please Go Rescue Some Brown Wax In Portland
PostPosted: Thu Mar 15, 2018 10:21 am 
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I forwarded this to a Portland collector and he is going to go there today and try to rescue them. Lets hope so!
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 Post subject: Re: Please Go Rescue Some Brown Wax In Portland
PostPosted: Thu Mar 15, 2018 2:58 pm 
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Good to hear, Dan. Let's hope!

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 Post subject: Re: Please Go Rescue Some Brown Wax In Portland
PostPosted: Thu Mar 15, 2018 6:46 pm 
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I just went to check out the Brown Wax cylinders. There are about 3 still in decent shape; the others are broken. Some that look ok from the picture are only about ½ there....the bottom half of the cylinder is completely broken off. The cylinders date from about 1900 in my opinion. $200 for essentially 3 cylinders seemed a bit high for ones of this vintage. I don't know how recently they were broken, but I suspect quite recent. Sorry..............

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 Post subject: Re: Please Go Rescue Some Brown Wax In Portland
PostPosted: Wed Mar 21, 2018 4:35 pm 
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music is time travel and strings moments in time together like nothing else I know -- Kathleen Lane
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Well, I had to be in Portland today and was early for an appointment and decided to visit the antique mall with the brown wax. Stan was correct that there were only 3 good ones and a 4th that will likely play. The box is very nice and there are a number of record slips. The lady that owns the stuff happened to be there so I talked to her a bit and got the whole thing for $50. When I get home later I will look closer at what I got. But I think the box is likely worth most of the $50.
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 Post subject: Re: Please Go Rescue Some Brown Wax In Portland
PostPosted: Wed Mar 21, 2018 7:06 pm 
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Sounds like you got a mystery on your hands. Who knows what lurks in these boxes. Hope you find something good in there. :clover: :rose:
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 Post subject: Re: Please Go Rescue Some Brown Wax In Portland
PostPosted: Wed Mar 21, 2018 8:30 pm 
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I just got home and took some pictures of the box and its contents as I unpacked things. I have not listened to any of the records yet and I have no idea what might actually be on them. But, the pictures will show the 4 fully intact cylinders (not just 3) with the record slips that were associated with them. One of the records had 2 slips so I don't know if any of them are correct. The 5th cylinder is mostly intact and about 2/3rds of it should play OK. The other record slips that were associated with the various broken cylinders are shown as well. I don't really know if what I have is valuable or just run of the mill brown wax (if there is such a thing).

An interesting thing that may have proven fatal for 3 of the records. There was some thread (like sewing thread) wrapped around the bottom of 3 of the broken cylinders. One of them was so tight I had trouble getting the remains of the record out of the box. There is a picture that shows the thread I found and at the bottom of the picture of the broken records you can see where the thread was tied around it.

A really fun haul. The box is pristine with a wooden base glued into the bottom of the box. The lid is complete and shows now sign of ever having been repaired. Here are a the pictures in the order in which I discovered things. Once I have listened to the playable cylinders I will attempt to match them to their appropriate record slips and report further on them.

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 Post subject: Re: Please Go Rescue Some Brown Wax In Portland
PostPosted: Thu Mar 22, 2018 12:26 pm 
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That's a very exciting purchase! It will be fun to find out what you've bought.

Ps. There are others out there better than me at repairing cylinders, but I'd be happy to help repair them.
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 Post subject: Re: Please Go Rescue Some Brown Wax In Portland
PostPosted: Thu Mar 22, 2018 3:19 pm 
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Looking at what you have there, I'd say that you
got good value for your $50!

Please do save all the broken pieces.

Those broken hunks will come in very handy some time
in the future as specimens for chemical analysis.

Some years back there was a commercial wax lab that
offered to help chemically analyze some original
brown wax, to hopefully reveal a bit more about its
makeup. That project bombed out after I'd sent them
broken pieces of Edison brown wax, Columbia brown
wax, Ediphone wax, and my brown wax.

The idea was to run gas chromatography using each
different sample for comparison.

It never happened, even though I told them straight
up that I'd pay their going price for their work.

That effort failed. But it was a very good idea,
and one which needs to be done somewhere, at some time.

So, please do save those broken pieces of Edison
brown wax. The more of those we keep, the better the
odds are of getting some serious chemical analysis
done in the future.

Gas chromatography does burn the sample, so a bit of
material does get used up each time a GC analysis
is ran.

Great find! Thanks for going and rescuing those!

Chuck
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 Post subject: Re: Please Go Rescue Some Brown Wax In Portland
PostPosted: Thu Mar 22, 2018 3:50 pm 
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I plan to keep all the pieces of the broken records. A couple of them would be quite easy to repair (for those with that talent). The others could likely also be put together, but would be cost prohibitive I fear. In any case, none of what I bought will go away while I own them. I plan to listen to the intact records later today. I will report what I find after that.
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